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Is Creation Science heresy?

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lucaspa

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In 1981 the Arkansas Legislature passed bill 590, known as the "Balanced Treatment of Creation-Science and Evolution-Science Act". It required that creation science be taught whenever evolution was taught.

Creation science was defined as:
"1. Sudden creation of the universe, energy, and life from nothing.
2. The insufficiency of mutation and natural selection in bringing about development of all living things from a single organism.
3. Changes only within fixed limits of originally created kinds of plants and animals.
4. Separate ancestry for man and apes.
5. Explanation of the earth's geology by catastrophism, including the occurrence of a worldwide flood.
6. A relatively recnet inception of earth and living kinds."

Immediate 26 Arkansas citizens filed suit to block the bill. Of the 26, 23 were ministers and rabbis. They included the Methodist, Catholic, Episcopalian, and African Methodist bishops of Arkansas and clergy of the Presbyterians, Southern Baptist, Conservative, and Reform Jews. The case is known as McLean vs Arkansas and Mclean was Reverend McLean of the Presbyterian Church USA. The other 3 were educators who were Christians. No atheists and no scientists. The scientists came in only as witnesses.

I'm not going to discuss the science, but the theology of the creation scientists. They got Henry Morris, Duane Gish, and other members of the Institute for Creation Research to testify in the pre-trial "Findings of Fact". Depositions. Answers in Genesis didn't exist at the time and ICR was the organization for creation science.

Below is part of an essay by Father Bruce Vawter:

"In the final issue I would like to address the question of out-and-out heresy, potentially the destruction of the whole Christian enterprise through the ham-handed activities of well-intentioned but historically and theologically illiterate Christians. In the "Findings of Fact" filed by the Defendants in the Arkansas Case prior to adjudication, a truly deplorable statement was asserted in paragraph 35: 'Creation-science does presuppose the existence of a creator, to the same degree that evolutin-science presupposes the existence of no creator. As used in the context of creation-science, as defined by 54(a) [sic]of Act 590, the terms or concepts of "creation" and "creator" are not inherently religious terms or concepts. In this sense, the term "creator" means only some entity with power, intelligence, and a sense of design. Creation-science does not require a creator who has a personality, who has the attributes of love, compassion, justice, etc., which are ordinarily attributed to a deity. Indeed, the creation-science model does not require that the creator still be in existence."
It would be hard to set emotional priorities, from bitter sorrow to deep anger, which this wretched formulation and its obvious and cynical compromise with mammon should evoke in any sensitive theological soul. Let us say nothing about the hypocrisy of good people who have obviously convinced themselves that a good cause can be supported by any mendacious and specious means whatsoever. The passage is perverse, however, not only because it says things that are untrue, namely that creationism presupposes a creator whereas evolutionism necessarily does not, and not only because 'creation' and 'creator' are proffered speciously secular, nonreligious definitions.
The worst thing about these unthinking and unhistorical formulations is what Langdon Gilkey pointed out at the Arkansas trial in December of 1981. The concept of a creator God distinct from the God of love and mercy is a reopening of the way to the Marcionist and Gnostic heresies, among the deadliest ever to afflict Christianity. That those who make such formulations do not seriously intend them save as a debating ploy does not mitigate their essential malevolence." Bruce Vawter, "Creationism: creative misuse of the Bible" in Is God a Creationist? Ed. by Roland Frye, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1983 pp 81-82.

Creation science, as formulated by the founders of creation science, seems to be heresy.
 

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Crusadar said:
False doctrine? P-l-e-a-s-e ! What is falseness but that which deviates from the word of God, (and theistic evolution does this to extremes) for His Word is absolute truth.
You mean it deviates from your interpetation. Stop trying to claim God's place.
 
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AntiCow said:
The article quoted seems to chastise creationists for disconnecting creationism from the rest of the Bible, rather than hammering creation science itself.

I don't think creation science is heresy; but even if it was, this article does not support that conclusion.

Creation scientists stated that creation science separated the God of Creation from the God of Salvation.

Let me quote the relevant portion of the testimony:

"Creation-science does not require a creator who has a personality, who has the attributes of love, compassion, justice, etc., which are ordinarily attributed to a deity. Indeed, the creation-science model does not require that the creator still be in existence."

See? Not "creationists", but "creation-science".

Now, this is NOT a strawman made up by evolutionists. This was stated by the founders of creation-science -- Henry Morris and Duane Gish -- and thus represents what creation science IS.
 
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Crusadar said:
False doctrine? P-l-e-a-s-e ! What is falseness but that which deviates from the word of God, (and theistic evolution does this to extremes) for His Word is absolute truth.

This is where we part company. What YOU say is "His Word" is NOT His Word. It is YOUR word. The inability to separate you from God worries us and indicates that you are worshipping your interpretation of the Bible, not God.

Now, notice that separating the God of Creation from the God of love and mercy IS deviating from scripture in numerous places.
 
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The Barbarian said:
Creationism is certainly false doctrine, but it's hardly heresy. A sizable minority of American Christians are creationists.

The article dealt specifically with creation science.

Now, creation is the idea that God created. In that sense, theistic evolutionists are creationists also.

However, creationISM is really a particular HOW of creation. The way YEC (creation science) was described by the founders of creation science put creation science into heresy.

Besides, are you saying that a sizable minority of American Christians cannot be deceived into advocating heresy? How many of those Christians have ever heard of Gnosticism or Marcionism. They are trusting their leaders to lead them correctly. Do you not think that they can be deceived by those leaders? After all, it's happened before in Christianity.
 
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lucaspa:This is where we part company. What YOU say is "His Word" is NOT His Word. It is YOUR word. The inability to separate you from God worries us and indicates that you are worshipping your interpretation of the Bible, not God.

The last person I should seek company with is - you. Your pathetic yelps from the belly of the beast are truly bothersome. A verse of encouragement from the truth of God may remedy your worries, but I fear you will only interpret it as you have done so far - according to a world view, but here it is anyway.

Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matthew 6:24

Also when you refer to "us" do you mean you and Satan?

Now, notice that separating the God of Creation from the God of love and mercy IS deviating from scripture in numerous places.

You have yet to show me how God can be a God of love and mercy through your pontifications.
 
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Bump.

RMills, the assumption of most creationists is that creationism is the "good guy" defending Christianity against the onslaught of "godless" evolution. That's not the case. Instead, creationism (which is not the same as creation) is very damaging to Christianity. Francis Bacon understood this almost 400 years ago:

"For nothing is so mischievous as the apotheosis of error; and it is a very plague of the understanding for vanity to become the object of veneration. Yet in this vanity some of the moderns have with extreme levity indulged so far as to attempt to found a system of natural philosophy [science] on the first chapter of Genesis, on the book of Job, and other parts of the sacred writings, seeking for the dead among the living; which also makes the inhibition and repression of it the more important, because from this unwholesome mixture of things human and divine there arises not only a fantastic philosophy[science] but also a heretical religion. Very meet it is therefore that we be sober-minded, and give to faith that only which is faith's." Francis Bacon. Novum Organum LXV, 1620 http://www.constitution.org/bacon/nov_org.htm

What happened in 1982 and what the IDers are doing now (the same thing of separating "the Intelligent Designer" from God) and Dembski has recently done in his new book is showing Bacon to be right: creationism is heresy.
 
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Crusadar said:
False doctrine? P-l-e-a-s-e ! What is falseness but that which deviates from the word of God, (and theistic evolution does this to extremes) for His Word is absolute truth.
Indeed. However, your interpretation of it isn't absolute truth.
 
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Yes, creationusm is heresy. Not only does it seperate the God of love from the God of creation, it also commits the heresy of putting an interpretation of the Bible above that of the revelation of God Himself in the natural world. It is therefore guilty of idolatry.
 
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How can the proof of a God, creation or otherwise, be considered herosy? We as Christians should be uniting and using the truths and proofs to show the other faiths and beliefs out there, the TRUTH. Why debate amongst ourselves? The Bible is fact, the Bible is the main tool in both a creationists belief and a conservative christians. Use these two beliefs to become one in Him.
 
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masnergy said:
How can the proof of a God, creation or otherwise, be considered herosy? We as Christians should be uniting and using the truths and proofs to show the other faiths and beliefs out there, the TRUTH. Why debate amongst ourselves? The Bible is fact, the Bible is the main tool in both a creationists belief and a conservative christians. Use these two beliefs to become one in Him.


The Bible is NOT a science text or history book - it is rife with factual errors on these issues.

To use it as factual truth in these areas is to bear false witness.
 
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