[QUOTEas that God sewed the coats with His
own fingers; they merely affirm "that man’s first clothing was the work of
God, who gave the necessary directions and ability][/ quote]
i saw it and i left it in there in case i would be charged with taking out of context agian or quote mining.
You actually though about taking it out?
Anyway what do you think of this great authority you quote contradicting one of you main points, your claim that 'God made' excludes processes?
what i said:
you forget that the first mention of animal death was done after the fall of man when God clothed adam and eve.
and what you said:
Where do K&D say these were the first animals who died?
stop misrepresenting what i say. you continually do that o try and show that i do not know what i am talking about when it is you who is off and deceived.
your whole first half of your post is based on what you wanted me to say and did not address what i said. such false accusations deny any claim you make about being christian.
It is probably worth tracing the conversation. The lines you have quoted are underlined and I have greyed out the usual Archie insulting and accusing evasions, and us asking you to actually answer the point.
Archie: use your science to determine the effects of The Fall, please feel free to examine it from all aspects. compare the pre-wall world with the post and see the difference.
{i know you won't because it is easier to make up stuff and try to fit the evidence to that than it is to simply believe God}
i do no tthink you can get it much clearer thanwhen Paul said, 'by one man sin...death... entered into the world'.
Shernren: No, archie said "by one man sin ... death ... entered into the world."Paul said (or rather wrote),
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned-- (Romans 5:12 NIV)
Note here that the Bible specifically says that:
1. Death came to "all men". Not a peep about animal death.
2. Death came to all men because all sinned, not because one sinned. The comparison is "sin through one man : death through sin :: all sinned : death to all men"
Archie evasion: both posts aren't worth dignifying with an answer. just goes to show you as to what lengths alternative believers will go to screw up a person's point.
Nooj: What lengths are those? Shernren correcting your incorrect Biblical phrases? Or correcting the way you talk as if you speak for God?
Archie: neither.
you forget that the first mention of animal death was done after the fall of man when God clothed adam and eve.
Assyrian: And the first mention of animal death has to be the first animal who died? Gen 3:21 And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them. No, no mention of the animals whose skin it was being the first to die. I am afraid you may be reading things into scripture again.
Archie evasion: again, going to the extreme to crudely hide mocking
Assyrian: What is extreme about pointing out that the scripture you quoted does not mean what you thought?
But again you resort to unsupported accusations and abuse when you don't have an answer.
Archie: according to your unsubtantiated opinion, the following backs me:
[Keil & Delitzsch quote...]
Assyrian: This is amazing. Even when you quote commentaries you pick one that doesn't say what you claim. Where do K&D say these were the first animals who died?
You were talking about the difference between the pre and post fall world and mangled Romans 5:12 in support. Shernren corrects your quote, looks at Romans 5:12 and points out "
1. Death came to "all men".Not a peep about animal death."
After accusation and evasion, your reply with
you forget that the first mention of animal death was done after the fall of man when God clothed adam and eve. This is the line you you say I misrepresented.
The context is a discussion of difference between pre fall and post fall worlds, and shernen's reply that Romans 5:12 does not mention animals death.
Given that your reference to animals death after the fall, is given as a reply to shernren's statement about animal death and the fall, you seem to have believed that your reference showed shernren was wrong, and showed that animal death began after the fall, because the animals that were skinned were the first ever to die.
I then asked you
And the first mention of animal death has to be the first animal who died?
Your reply, after the usual evasion and accusation was to claim, not that I had misunderstood your argument, but that Keil & Delitzsch back you up. It is only when we see that K&D no more back you up than the original scripture verse, you claim I am misrepresenting you.
such false accusations deny any claim you make about being christian.
Interesting what you say about false accusations there.
You never got around to answering these false accusations you made.
http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=36347840&postcount=283
http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=36363294&postcount=286
such thinking denies God's word as in Gen. 3:20 we have a very literal and rweal identification moment:
Interesting how you think when you interpret of a passage literally, it proves it isn't figurative. Kind of a circular argument that.
But you haven't shown how my quote from Romans 'denies what paul said in Romans'.
Adam named his wife Eve because she would become the mother of all the living
sorry, but your allegory fails again.
You know I wouldn't take that verse too literally if I were you, not before looking up where else we find the Hebrew phrase
kol chay all living.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
Gen 6:19And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark to keep them alive with you. They shall be male and female.
Gen 7:14 they and every beast, according to its kind, and all the livestock according to their kinds, and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, according to its kind, and every bird, according to its kind, every winged creature.
you look but you do not see. stop making false accusations for it is you who liberally applies allegory , etc. to what you do not want to accept nor believe.
you undermine yourself not me.
What false accusation? That you were unable to tell us what the seed bruising the serpent's head meant? Look at the thread
is creation outside of science's scope? http://www.christianforums.com/t5535134 from page 21 to 27.
Or saying that you forgot Revelation was allegorical:
in one sense--yes. if you do not believe when God says 'global flood' how are you going to believe when He talks about 'salvation, heaven'? all three have no scientific evidence to back them up.
also, why would God say it in the first place if we were allowed to dismiss it? changing it to allegory doesn't help nor support what God said in Revelations concerning a final judgement. if the former is made allegorical, how will anyone take the latter seriously?
