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Tell me what makes condoms or birth control sinful and NFP not.why? btw, I love your name. Peace, pat
I don't think that anti-contraception people really think about this. It's one thing to preach abstinence-only sex, and it's one thing to practise it, but it's another thing entirely to expect others, especially oversexed, constantly-horny teenagers, to do the same.I think thoes that preach against contraception should raise all the unwanted kids when contraception is no longer avalible. Lack of contraceptoin would lead to alot of over population problems and kids that are simply not cared for becusae there are too many. None of this is really rocket science.
Tell me what makes condoms or birth control sinful and NFP not.
please answer my question first: what is "arbitrary and meaningless" about saying that avoiding pregnancy is not intrinsically wrong but contracepted sex is intrinsically wrong?
The way I see it, you're deliberately avoiding sharing yourself at all when you abstain with your loved one.as to your question: I think that abstaining from sex to avoid pregnancy is morally different from having sex with a condom in order to avoid pregnancy because in the second case one is engaging in a sexual while deliberately doing something to avoid fully sharing oneself with the other
in the first case one can be practicing self control with the intention of safeguarding the health of the spouse out of true love. it can be an act of truly loving restraint, as opposed to using someone
please answer my question first: what is "arbitrary and meaningless" about saying that avoiding pregnancy is not intrinsically wrong but contracepted sex is intrinsically wrong?
in the first case one can be practicing self control with the intention of safeguarding the health of the spouse out of true love. it can be an act of truly loving restraint, as opposed to using someone
please answer my question first: what is "arbitrary and meaningless" about saying that avoiding pregnancy is not intrinsically wrong but contracepted sex is intrinsically wrong?
as to your question: I think that abstaining from sex to avoid pregnancy is morally different from having sex with a condom in order to avoid pregnancy because in the second case one is engaging in a sexual while deliberately doing something to avoid fully sharing oneself with the other
in the first case one can be practicing self control with the intention of safeguarding the health of the spouse out of true love. it can be an act of truly loving restraint, as opposed to using someone
Because right there? You seem to be implying I don't love my spouse as much as you love yours. You can spin it however you like, in the end that's what you're saying. You don't know us you don't have any knowledge of who we are or our relationship with our spouse, but the one fact you seem very sure of is you, and the people who believe as you do. love your spouses more then we love ours.because in the second case one is engaging in a sexual while deliberately doing something to avoid fully sharing oneself with the other (emph. added)
That is what is stupid and arbitrary.
The way I see it, you're deliberately avoiding sharing yourself at all when you abstain with your loved one.
Besides, you keep bringing up condoms, what about birth control?
as to not giving oneself if one is abstaining... I don't agree. I think that if one's spouse would be hurt by having sex the husband can still give himself and does so by NOT forcing sex
Ok - but that sure sounds like a rare exception to me.
I think there are many reasons for abstaining from sex at any given moment
I agree. And if that reason is to avoid contraception, then it's contraceptive.
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how could avoiding contraception be contraceptive?
I misstated things (it's been corrected). Than you for pointing that out!
no problem brother. I do it all the time.
as to your argument.... I suppose one could use the word that way
I don't see why one would need to assume that having sex with a condom, e.g., is morally equivalent to abstaining from sex, even if the intention in both cases is to avoid pregnancy
and of course, intentions are not singular. it is very different to try to avoid pregnancy in order to protect the health of one's wife and the mother of his children.
that is different from intending to avoid pregnancy so that one doesn't have to give up golf
So...using a contraceptive is ok as long as you approve of why they're using it?
tulc(just curious)
I think that using a contraceptive is always wrong, as likewise having a wrong intention is always wrong, even if one is not doing something intrinstically wrong--e.g. using NFP to achieve or avoid pregnancy (emph. added)
I think that using a contraceptive is always wrong
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