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Dead people cannot receive Christ. They can only hate him (as many do in this forum) and choose idols instead.
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Dead people cannot receive Christ. They can only hate him (as many do in this forum) and choose idols instead.Receiving Christ is an admission that we are not sufficient in ourselves. Yet you see the opposite.
Only good people would do this and scripture says there aren't any.Receiving Christ is an admission that we are not sufficient in ourselves. Yet you see the opposite.
Envy perhaps, but you are missing the point.“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.” (Galatians 5:19–21)
Find anything in the flesh that will discern and accept Christ.
The flesh cannot discern the true Christ, It will choose a false Christ every time.Envy perhaps, but you are missing the point.
Receiving Christ is not a work of the flesh. Imagine a person floundering in the ocean while someone throws them a lifeline. If they take hold of the line are they saving themselves? Or cooperating with the rescue?
I was dead when I received Christ. Are you claiming that you weren't?Dead people cannot receive Christ. They can only hate him (as many do in this forum) and choose idols instead.
You seem to see false Christs everywhere except in your doctrine.The flesh cannot discern the true Christ, It will choose a false Christ every time.
You do not understand how wicked and incapacitated by sin people are.You seem to see false Christ's everywhere except in your doctrine.
But alive enough to reject him?I was dead when I received Christ. Are you claiming that you weren't?
Ephesians 2:1-2
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
Incapacitated from being Calvinists? ???You do not understand how wicked and incapacitated by sin people are.
Lost = spiritually dead.But alive enough to reject him?
You think the flesh must perform a self-righteous work of obedience before God steps in and imparts the New Birth. This is completely backwards.Lost = spiritually dead.
Your hatred of God as presented by the Calvinists only proves my point. Only those who are born again can discern the true Christ.Incapacitated from being Calvinists? ???
Not what I said. You are projecting your own conclusions on me.You think the flesh must perform a self-righteous work of obedience before God steps in and imparts the New Birth. This is completely backwards.
If free will decides salvation, it is the savior and the idol you trust in. It is a symptom of forcing a worldly understanding of how every day law depends of free will to make it work. But the gospel is not law.Not what I said. You are projecting your own conclusions on me.
I said salvation is a gift that we must receive. (by an act of our free will)
It would be hard to find a Christian that didn't understand this. But here you are.
I wrote: "Lost = spiritually dead." and you did not agree.
It would be hard to find a Christian that didn't agree with that. But here you are.
My hatred of God?Your hatred of God as presented by the Calvinists only proves my point. Only those who are born again can discern the true Christ.
If the God presented by Calvinism is the bibical God, (and I believe it is), you hate him and prefer the Arminian version instead.My hatred of God?
Sinking ever lower in doctrinal claims.
As you say, the Calvinists prove your point.
Could anything be more divisive?
Labeling doctrinal opponents as hating God?
Simply because you have a difference of doctrinal opinion.
And discernment is a spiritual gift. (related to prophecy)
I thought you were a Cessationist.
So, if I lift a package (gift) from under the tree, then my lifting "becomes" the giver? My receiving becomes the source? That's ridiculous.If free will decides salvation, it is the savior and the idol you trust in. It is a symptom of forcing a worldly understanding of how every day law depends of free will to make it work. But the gospel is not law.
Grace raises you from the dead so that you can see the package under the tree and want to lift it.So, if I lift a package (gift) from under the tree, then my lifting "becomes" the giver? My receiving becomes the source? That's ridiculous.
You are claiming that Arminians hate God.If the God presented by Calvinism is the bibical God, (and I believe it is), you hate him and prefer the Arminian version instead.
And with this sort of ridiculous hair-splitting you declare that I hate God?Grace raises you from the dead so that you can see the package under the tree and want to lift it.
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