Is complaining sin?

Frogster · Aug 11, 2012

I think it is fine to complain to the Lord. I mean complain to God
People often say we can’t, citing the wilderness people. But they did it for 40 years, and they even wanted to kill Moses, not exactly where most Christians are at.

David poured it out.

Psalm 142 With my voice I cry out to the Lord;
with my voice I plead for mercy to the Lord.
2 I pour out my complaint before him;
I tell my trouble before him.

Why have many churches taught that complaining is sin, or wrong, or something to be avoided at all cost?

Seems like a little moaning and groaning and complaining moves God.

Psalm 55:16-17 But I call to God,
and the Lord will save me.
17 Evening and morning and at noon
I utter my complaint and moan,
and he hears my voice

Sophrosyne · Aug 11, 2012

I think it is less the complaint as the sin but the force behind the complaining itself that is a sin. If one has a valid complaint and is being treated unfair there is nothing wrong with that but if one uses complaining to bludgeon people for attention and to get their way and as an act of coveting or dishonoring their parents (complain instead of doing something) then it is sinful. I have seen people complain about how Christians are instead of accepting Jesus and the complaint was just an excuse not to accept him.

brinny · Aug 11, 2012

Frogster said:
I think it is fine to complain to the Lord.

People often say we cant, citing the wilderness people. But they did it for 40 years, and they even wanted to kill Moses, not exactly where most Christians are at.

David poured it out.

Psalm 142 With my voice I cry out to the Lord;
with my voice I plead for mercy to the Lord.
2 I pour out my complaint before him;
I tell my trouble before him.

Why have many churches taught that complaining is sin, or wrong, or something to be avoided at all cost?

Seems like a little moaning and groaning and complaining moves God.

Psalm 55:16-17 But I call to God,
and the Lord will save me.
17 Evening and morning and at noon
I utter my complaint and moan,
and he hears my voice

I agree. We need to just pour it ALL out to God, holding nothing back, just like David did. And David was called the "apple of God's eye". God LOVES us to come to Him. NOTHING should hinder us. Great thread brother!

brinny · Aug 11, 2012

Sophrosyne said:
I think it is less the complaint as the sin but the force behind the complaining itself that is a sin. If one has a valid complaint and is being treated unfair there is nothing wrong with that but if one uses complaining to bludgeon people for attention and to get their way and as an act of coveting or dishonoring their parents (complain instead of doing something) then it is sinful. I have seen people complain about how Christians are instead of accepting Jesus and the complaint was just an excuse not to accept him.

Exactly. Good point.

Frogster · Aug 11, 2012

Sophrosyne said:
I think it is less the complaint as the sin but the force behind the complaining itself that is a sin. If one has a valid complaint and is being treated unfair there is nothing wrong with that but if one uses complaining to bludgeon people for attention and to get their way and as an act of coveting or dishonoring their parents (complain instead of doing something) then it is sinful. I have seen people complain about how Christians are instead of accepting Jesus and the complaint was just an excuse not to accept him.

I mean complain to God...

Frogster · Aug 11, 2012

brinny said:
I agree. We need to just pour it ALL out to God, holding nothing back, just like David did. And David was called the "apple of God's eye". God LOVES us to come to Him. NOTHING should hinder us. Great thread brother!

I hear ya sis, u r a likeminded wrestler

Fireinfolding · Aug 11, 2012

Psalm 102:1 [[A Prayer of the afflicted, when he is overwhelmed, and poureth out his complaint before the LORD.]] Hear my prayer, O LORD, and let my cry come unto thee.

Same is shown of Sodom

Gen 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

These arent murmuring against Moses or Aaron or even against the Lord but of the afflicted crying out to God against evil men. These looking to their strength and shield to protect them, to be their help

Gen 13:3 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinnersbefore the LORD exceedingly.

Speaks of just Lot

2Peter 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

According to Abrahams question, will thou destroy the righteous with the wicked, the LORD delivered just Lot and overthrew Sodom.

Gen 8:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

Psalm 31:18 Let the lying lips be put to silence; which speak grievous things proudly and contemptuously against the righteous.

Murmuring against God, or pouring out ones complaint unto God, both are shown.

Sophrosyne · Aug 11, 2012

Frogster said:
I mean complain to God...

I seem to relate that there was plenty of complaining of people of "faith" to God in the bible and God understands because it is our nature (sinful) to complain and complaining is (to some) our trying to come to terms with the flesh. I say put it all on the table to God if he can handle the cross and ANY of our complaints are sinful then he certainly can handle complaints of people that have faith in him. I think his biggest issue is complaining of people that put NO faith in him (that concluded in 40 years of being lost in a desert).
In other words complaints with faith are ok, complaints of the faithless..... not so ok IMO.

New_Wineskin · Aug 11, 2012

Frogster said:
Why have many churches taught that complaining is sin, or wrong, or something to be avoided at all cost?

Answer : Control , control , control . Law , Law , Law . Anything to make christianity a religion and focusing on actions and things instead of a relationship and focusing on the Lord .

Amber Bird · Aug 11, 2012

You might consider that since the Bible says no human is perfect, that everything you do stands to be a sin. Even good works, when feeling good about having done them, can be aligned with the sin of pride.

Basically, when people were born as sinners is sin a condition we can avoid? Doubtful. Though Jesus came and took away all the worlds sins, so then it could be asked can sin exist anymore at all and Jesus have been other than a failure in that mission.

It's all very confusing and I think it's entirely up to the believer in what they wish to believe about their worthiness as one created in the image and likeness of God.

What is Sin and What it Does.

Frogster · Aug 11, 2012

Sophrosyne said:
I seem to relate that there was plenty of complaining of people of "faith" to God in the bible and God understands because it is our nature (sinful) to complain and complaining is (to some) our trying to come to terms with the flesh. I say put it all on the table to God if he can handle the cross and ANY of our complaints are sinful then he certainly can handle complaints of people that have faith in him. I think his biggest issue is complaining of people that put NO faith in him (that concluded in 40 years of being lost in a desert).
In other words complaints with faith are ok, complaints of the faithless..... not so ok IMO.

well...i don't know if it is really the sinful nature to complain, or cry out..hmmmm

"why has thou forsaken me"?

Frogster · Aug 11, 2012

New_Wineskin said:
Answer : Control , control , control . Law , Law , Law . Anything to make christianity a religion and focusing on actions and things instead of a relationship and focusing on the Lord .

I am going to buy the house near you, so we can be neighbors!

u say good stuff..

brinny · Aug 11, 2012

Frogster said:
well...i don't know if it is really the sinful nature to complain, or cry out..hmmmm

"why has thou forsaken me"?

Excellent verse.

Frogster · Aug 11, 2012

Amber Bird said:
You might consider that since the Bible says no human is perfect, that everything you do stands to be a sin. Even good works, when feeling good about having done them, can be aligned with the sin of pride.

Basically, when people were born as sinners is sin a condition we can avoid? Doubtful. Though Jesus came and took away all the worlds sins, so then it could be asked can sin exist anymore at all and Jesus have been other than a failure in that mission.

It's all very confusing and I think it's entirely up to the believer in what they wish to believe about their worthiness as one created in the image and likeness of God.

What is Sin and What it Does.

Well..the soul in turmoil, needs to ask, and cry, and complain.

New_Wineskin · Aug 11, 2012

Frogster said:
I am going to buy the house near you, so we can be neighbors!

u say good stuff..

I'll bring a gift-basket . Do you like fruit , candy , or meat ?

New_Wineskin · Aug 11, 2012

Frogster said:
David poured it out.

Psalm 142 With my voice I cry out to the Lord;
with my voice I plead for mercy to the Lord.
2 I pour out my complaint before him;
I tell my trouble before him.

Psalm 55:16-17 But I call to God,
and the Lord will save me.
17 Evening and morning and at noon
I utter my complaint and moan,
and he hears my voice

Good ones . And , we know that David was one of the few that the Lord boasted of to others by saying that he was His friend .

bugkiller · Aug 11, 2012

What is the difference in complaining and asking God or anyone else about something? Is complaining mistaken for asking a valid concern? I think so. NTL do not rock the boat. Complain IMHO is accusing someone else of being the problem instead of accepting responsibility for ones self. Crying out in need is not complaining. Speaking against an injustice is not complaining.

OTH valid questions of redress are taken as complaining from thoes who do not wish to address a problem. Bringing the attention to something such as a rule violation is not complaining on the part of the questioner but may be with the one dealing with the issue. The reporting system here is a fine example.

bugkiller

brinny · Aug 11, 2012

bugkiller said:
What is the difference in complaining and asking God or anyone else about something? Is complaining mistaken for asking a valid concern? I think so. NTL do not rock the boat. Complain IMHO is accusing someone else of being the problem instead of accepting responsibility for ones self. Crying out in need is not complaining. Speaking against an injustice is not complaining.

bugkiller

Amen, brother.

Fireinfolding · Aug 11, 2012

Agreed also

Job 24:12 Men groan from out of the city, and the soul of the wounded crieth out: yet God layeth not folly to them.
　
Jerm 12:8 Mine heritage is unto me as a lion in the forest; it crieth out against me: therefore have I hated it.

Sophrosyne · Aug 11, 2012

Frogster said:
well...i don't know if it is really the sinful nature to complain, or cry out..hmmmm

"why has thou forsaken me"?

It is both sinful nature and righteous nature to complain or cry out. If you are put in a situation that isn't your fault that is one thing but if you get yourself in a mess and complain about it to those who warned you about it... I think that could be a lot different.

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