Is clapping and lifting hands OK in church?

[Sophia7]

Isn't this the proof text? I hope no one's religious practice is based on an isolated verse appearing to say something he/she is looking for.

The context suggests nothing about liturgy but about Christian conduct.

1 Tim 2
8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

I wasn't quoting it to prove anything. I was just wondering how Adventists would interpret that verse. Verse 9 is quoted all the time in Adventism but not verse 8.

 

[tnp2140]

I wasn't quoting it to prove anything. I was just wondering how Adventists would interpret that verse. Verse 9 is quoted all the time in Adventism but not verse 8.

We must realize that there is a difference between your a)daily devotional life with the Savior and b)when you come before the Lord in praise and worship during church service.

Once one realizes the difference between the two, verses such as the one in Timothy will not mislead us

So where do you think that verse would apply to given the context?

 

[Shizzle]

When it came to worshipping and praising the Lord on his sacred day, utmost reverence was required and still is today.

God doesnt look at reverence of flesh, but reverence of heart. We arent under the law anymore. 1Co9:20

The Psalmist was not talking about the sanctuary service.

There is no special property of the church building, your home devotion is much more important if you want to get to know God better. Flesh only gives birth to flesh, and only spirit gives birth to spirit. Death follows where one gives rule to religious traditions and rules.

 

[catmommy]

I think we need to be careful judging others praise and worship of God. If the Holy Spirit is upon them and they are instructed to give glory and honor to God, who are we to judge them. My grandmother was a very traditional SDA. However, she became more emotional in the Lord. She was diagnosed with cancer and had to start chemo. Both of her parents had long illnesses before they died and she watched my grandfather suffer for years with cancer before he died. She was afraid that too would be her fate. When she found out chemo was working for her, she shouted. I had never seen her do this before or heard her express that as a form of worship that should be in the church. But when the Lord does something for you, sometimes you cannot sit quiet and reflect. I remember this when someone is emotional in church. I have not walked in their shoes, I do not know the depths of their grief or joy.

 

[honorthesabbath]

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I guess the presumption here is gossip. But we could, with equal assurety, assume they are making positive statements. Why do we always assume the worst about ppl without knowing the FACTS?

 

[honorthesabbath]

Shizzle--may I ask what SDA church you attend that practices 'speaking in tongues"? Just curious.

 

[Shizzle]

Shizzle--may I ask what SDA church you attend that practices 'speaking in tongues"? Just curious.

The one i attend with my family doesnt practice it. I found its true by God's grace. As a man accepts Jesus and ceases his sinful acts to be saved, so does one seek God and speak in tongues to come closer to him. Do we try to become sinless without Jesus? So then why do we try to do his perfect will without the words of the Holy Spirit? You can have the Holy Spirit and not speak in tongues, but there are measures of his spirit (2kings2:9-10).

Back in the church of old everyone spoke in tongues, you read acts it refers to them speaking in tongues when they get filled with the Holy Spirit quite a few times. Read the following scripture and tell me if paul would have been so reckless as to imply that everyone can speak in tongues, if it is indeed not true.

1 Co14:23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?

Yes theres a scripture that says "do all speak in tongues", but thats talking about the tongues everyone understands (acts2:4-12), not the one nobody understands (1co14:2).

Tongues is not the same as praying or worshipping in english because its not of you. You are speaking the words of God, and as you do he will begin to lead you in how he wants you to spend time with him. Worshipping and praying with your understanding definitely have their place, but you cant replace Gods spiritual words with your fleshly words and expect to recieve all he wants you to recieve. Speaking from his spirit is like the israelites building his temple, it builds you up so that you can hear him clearly and do his perfect will (jude1:20).

 

[honorthesabbath]

Shizzle--you are aware aren't you that the SDA church frowns on your interpretation of the gift of tongues-right?

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hi Shizzle,

I don't know how you reached your stated understanding of "speaking in tongues," but if you would really like to find out exactly what the Bible has to say about the subject, just let me know and we can take a very close look at the Scriptures. You may be supprised at what you may find.

Respectfully, your friend and brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[Shizzle]

Shizzle--you are aware aren't you that the SDA church frowns on your interpretation of the gift of tongues-right?

Men will be men, but how does the body of christ look upon it?

Hi Shizzle,

I don't know how you reached your stated understanding of "speaking in tongues," but if you would really like to find out exactly what the Bible has to say about the subject, just let me know and we can take a very close look at the Scriptures. You may be supprised at what you may find.

Respectfully, your friend and brother in Christ,

With fear and trembling i came to it. Ive studied the scriptures on tongues already, and at first glance they could appear to support the opposing viewpoints, but if you look at it closely it very well proves this viewpoint.