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Is Chess Gambling?
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I agree with the vast majority here that merely paying an entry fee to a tournament and accepting prize money, does not constitute gambling.
If wagers are placed as to who wins a specific game or who wins the tournament, yes, that WOULD be gambling. However, I've played in a number of tournaments in my life, and I firmly believe that gambling at chess tournaments is negligible.
If wagers are placed as to who wins a specific game or who wins the tournament, yes, that WOULD be gambling. However, I've played in a number of tournaments in my life, and I firmly believe that gambling at chess tournaments is negligible.
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I fully agree that competing in a Chess tournament is not gambling. It is not a game of chance.
However, there is some luck involved. Say you're losing badly, then suddenly your opponent makes a move that is an enormous blunder, allowing you to beat him.
Now it obviously wasn't your skill that beat him, but his own egregious blunder. You were simply LUCKY that he made a seriously stupid move.
Also, it IS possible to fix and/or manipulate the outcomes of games and tournaments. As Bobby Fischer and many other top players of the 50's and 60's have documented---the Soviets frequently engaged in such illegal and unethical practices.
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No chess is not gambling. although you could gamble on who you think is going to win before a game starts.Hi everyone, I was just curious....Would God consider playing Chess gambling? My logic would say "No" and I will tell you why (IMHO) it's not. Gambling is when you bet money on the results of an event or to put in money to win in a tournament. So, to me... Horse Racing, Poker, dice, and dare I say.... Bingo at the local Church auxillary is considered Gambling. But chess? Now, I have never played in a Chess Tournament... I plan to some day, but I know that there is an entrance fee. The majority of fees goes to buying new chess sets, administration fees and just helping the club grow...advertisement or whatever. I am guessing a small portion actually goes to the winner/winners of the tournament; whether that be in cash or trophies. Keep in mind, I am refering to an amateur tourney. So, what do you think? All opinions are welcome, especially from any clergy out there
Thanks...Pure
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I find what you asked interesting. A competition that one must pay to enter with a reward given if one wins, if one loses, nothing. I can actually see why you were wondering. But if you do enter are you playing only for the prize? If someone is only playing for what they win then the money in which they entered would be considered a loss if they lose and a gain if they won. But if one paid simply to play regardless of the reward then the initial payment would of just been money spent to participate in an event.
In a way I think with things like that you would have to look more at your personal motivation in a situation.
It seems to be one of those odd concepts that could be or could not be depending on intent of the individual.
If you only came to play and you won and still feel strange about accepting a cash reward, why not just state that you want them to donate it to a charity in the case of your winning it?
Gambling is not always luck alone, I have seen acts of skill rather then pure luck used in forms of gambling, one simply bets money that they can or can not do something.
In a way I think with things like that you would have to look more at your personal motivation in a situation.
It seems to be one of those odd concepts that could be or could not be depending on intent of the individual.
If you only came to play and you won and still feel strange about accepting a cash reward, why not just state that you want them to donate it to a charity in the case of your winning it?
Gambling is not always luck alone, I have seen acts of skill rather then pure luck used in forms of gambling, one simply bets money that they can or can not do something.
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Breckmin
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The above title is about Grandmasters taking "risks" in order to win
verses playing for equalization assuming both sides have(ceteris paribus)
equal force.
However, are we gambling with our time eternally in some way when
we don't minister or promote the Lord's Work in some way.
It may not always be a good use of your time if you are too much into
chess. In this sense someone could argue you are gambling with your
time (eternal reward) but it is not what you are referring to.
Paying an entry fee is like buying your kids their trophies for their teams
when it is a scholastic tournament with no money prizes.
Paying an entry fee with the purposes of winning $10,000 at a major
chess tournament is sort of like horse racing.
Sometimes you just know that you are one of the fastest horses in
that section. It really depends on your state of mind and what you
are trying to accomplish at the tournament.
Let's say you want to evangelize and spread God's Word in the social
areas (skittle's rooms) outside to playing area. Then perhaps you are
donating that money for an eternal cause. It all comes down to the
motive and God knows the heart.
verses playing for equalization assuming both sides have(ceteris paribus)
equal force.
However, are we gambling with our time eternally in some way when
we don't minister or promote the Lord's Work in some way.
It may not always be a good use of your time if you are too much into
chess. In this sense someone could argue you are gambling with your
time (eternal reward) but it is not what you are referring to.
Paying an entry fee is like buying your kids their trophies for their teams
when it is a scholastic tournament with no money prizes.
Paying an entry fee with the purposes of winning $10,000 at a major
chess tournament is sort of like horse racing.
Sometimes you just know that you are one of the fastest horses in
that section. It really depends on your state of mind and what you
are trying to accomplish at the tournament.
Let's say you want to evangelize and spread God's Word in the social
areas (skittle's rooms) outside to playing area. Then perhaps you are
donating that money for an eternal cause. It all comes down to the
motive and God knows the heart.
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If chess tournaments are considered gambling, then all sport where players are paid for their performance could be seen as gambling as well. There is an element of gambling in everything, including investments.
Does that mean that Christians should not purchase stocks because they are risking (aka gambling) money on the promise of possible future performance? I highly doubt that.
What separates chess from pure gambling is that chess is a game of skill, not luck. Yes there is an element of luck involved (lucky for you your opponent missed a clearly winning move), but that is also the case in daily life. Every decision we make involves risk, hence to some degree gambling. But true gambling is betting money on an outcome that is unpredictable and uncontrollable (the roll of dice or picking a card out of the deck).
Chess is a game of skill, as is tennis, golf, and boxing. While the outcomes are not always 100% predictable of any one match, the factors involved that determine the outcome are controllable and therefore somewhat more predictable than picking a card out of a deck or rolling dice.
Does that mean that Christians should not purchase stocks because they are risking (aka gambling) money on the promise of possible future performance? I highly doubt that.
What separates chess from pure gambling is that chess is a game of skill, not luck. Yes there is an element of luck involved (lucky for you your opponent missed a clearly winning move), but that is also the case in daily life. Every decision we make involves risk, hence to some degree gambling. But true gambling is betting money on an outcome that is unpredictable and uncontrollable (the roll of dice or picking a card out of the deck).
Chess is a game of skill, as is tennis, golf, and boxing. While the outcomes are not always 100% predictable of any one match, the factors involved that determine the outcome are controllable and therefore somewhat more predictable than picking a card out of a deck or rolling dice.
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Breckmin
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Winning in chess at its highest level (Grandmasters) is about taking RISKS in
order to achieve a winning position or increasing your chances for winning.
In this sense, you DO sort of gamble in order to win. You would have to be
an expert or a master (or at least a class A player) to fully understand what
I am referring to. Winning at chess is about taking risks and play subjectively
rather than objectively.
order to achieve a winning position or increasing your chances for winning.
In this sense, you DO sort of gamble in order to win. You would have to be
an expert or a master (or at least a class A player) to fully understand what
I am referring to. Winning at chess is about taking risks and play subjectively
rather than objectively.
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pureredwhiteblu:
Unless a wager is at stake, chess is not gambling. Chess is simply a game, like any other board game.
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Unless a wager is at stake, chess is not gambling. Chess is simply a game, like any other board game.
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Everything in life has some type of stake towards it, and some kind of risk. Chess is not a game that depends entirely on chance; skill is a huge portion of the game, just like all others. So in essence, Chess cannot be considered more gambling than any other sort of game, especially, as said above, because it rarely involves money or good transfer.
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