Is celebrating xmas a sin??

[gadar perets]

I see what you are saying but why did Paul teach the law was bondage that the covenant on my Sinai was as Hagar ?

He did not say the law was bondage in that passage, but that the Sinai covenant was bondage. Hagar represents the Sinai covenant.

And why did he command not to be entangled again with the yoke of bondage nor be circumcised.. That to do so he was a debtor to the entire law and Christ will not be of no value to us if we do circumcised ourselves saying we will have fallen from grace in doing so?

The context of Galatians 5 concerns seeking to be justified by the law (vs.4). The yoke of bondage is not the law, but seeking to be justified by it. Paul was coming against the wrongful use of the law, especially when it was taking the place that Yeshua rightfully held, that is, the means through which we are justified by faith. A similar misuse of the law was happening in Acts 15, but in that case they were seeking to be saved by the law, rather than justified by it.

 

[dfw69]

He did not say the law was bondage in that passage, but that the Sinai covenant was bondage. Hagar represents the Sinai covenant.

He said Galatians 4:21-31 and Galatians 5:1-3

Was not the Sinai covenant the Torah given to the Jews? The old covenant?

The context of Galatians 5 concerns seeking to be justified by the law (vs.4). The yoke of bondage is not the law, but seeking to be justified by it. Paul was coming against the wrongful use of the law, especially when it was taking the place that Yeshua rightfully held, that is, the means through which we are justified by faith. A similar misuse of the law was happening in Acts 15, but in that case they were seeking to be saved by the law, rather than justified by it.

It's confusing... I'm trying to see your point but I don't yet

Gal 5 says if I circumcised myself which to do so is to enter into the old covenant that Christ will not be of any value to me and I am a debtor to fulfill the entire law

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Many sinners are seeking the fathers kingdom ... I disagree with your assessments ... I am a seeker .. And many others seek the fathers kingdom searching the scriptures and praying some fast others seek to do good works giving to the poor witnessing to those who do not know the love of God

I apologize for speaking out of line there. I forgot how long I had to seek the Father's Kingdom myself (how many many many troubles I got in and went through) before discovering and realizing all of His Promised Blessings and benefits (NOTHING at all like the prosperity gospel nor such).

In fact , earlier today and the last week, I've been wondering HOW God was so patient with me, and HOW anyone has enough time these hard days to FIND HIM --- there are so many more false teachings and troubles and hardships and other things fervently trying to keep you and me and others from
finding and remaining in God's Care and His Kingdom (His Kingdom being as Jesus said RIGHT IN OUR MIDST or inside us ; whoever OBEYS / wherever God RULES) .....

For every true post there are so many false. For every true teacher there are so many more false ones, as Jesus warns daily against.

 

[dfw69]

I apologize for speaking out of line there. I forgot how long I had to seek the Father's Kingdom myself (how many many many troubles I got in and went through) before discovering and realizing all of His Promised Blessings and benefits (NOTHING at all like the prosperity gospel nor such).

In fact , earlier today and the last week, I've been wondering HOW God was so patient with me, and HOW anyone has enough time these hard days to FIND HIM --- there are so many more false teachings and troubles and hardships and other things fervently trying to keep you and me and others from
finding and remaining in God's Care and His Kingdom (His Kingdom being as Jesus said RIGHT IN OUR MIDST or inside us ; whoever OBEYS / wherever God RULES) .....

For every true post there are so many false. For every true teacher there are so many more false ones, as Jesus warns daily against.

No problem bro and thanks for your conserns for my feelings and emotions ... After all.. I am a human behind these post ... many forget we are talking to brothers and sisters not robots or computers

So you truly believe you have found the kingdom within you?

Please explain

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No problem bro and thanks for your conserns for my feelings and emotions ... After all.. I am a human behind these post ... many forget we are talking to brothers and sisters not robots or computers

So you truly believe you have found the kingdom within you?

Please explain

(1) there are robots, more robots than members logged into this forum.
(2) there are AI software that can imitate a person and responses so well that you would never find out in some cases. (on this forum, on the internet in general, and even 'talking'(yes, with a 'human' voice) on phone conversations interactively) ......
(3) I am old, and once was young, and NEVER have I seen God forsake the righteous. (I have seen more miracles than anyone else I've met in person as far as I know; and others overseas have seen more in ONE WEEK than I've seen in ten years)
(4)
the most important: read what Jesus says. Jesus Own Word in the Bible,
about the kingdom of God/ the kingdom of heaven. (IF anyone tries to say those are different, ignore them) (test by God's Word to verify this) ....
(5)
all the world, and most churches and most church leaders, will do exactly what Jesus says they will do. (this will need explaining later, because it does NOT mean that they obey Jesus nor that they follow Him; He just spoke what they will do, and they do what He warned His disciples to watch out for).....
(6)
the kingdom of God IS AT HAND. (read in BIBLE)
THIS IS what JESUS said and says.
"Repent" = "TURN TOWARDS GOD" why? "BECAUSE the KINGDOM of GOD is at hand." JESUS SAYS THIS IN THE BIBLE -
to those people and disciples HE TALKS TO IN PERSON ! AND IT IS SO !

AND IT IS WONDERFUL !

 

[gadar perets]

He said Galatians 4:21-31 and Galatians 5:1-3

Was not the Sinai covenant the Torah given to the Jews? The old covenant?

The Torah was part of the Sinai Covenant (Old Covenant), but that covenant entailed more than Torah. The difference between the Old and New Covenants is not that the Old had Torah and the New does not. Under the New, Torah is written internally. The difference is in how each covenant is administered. The Old had a judgment phase unto death, the New does not.

It's confusing... I'm trying to see your point but I don't yet

Gal 5 says if I circumcised myself with is to enter into the old covenant Christ will not be of any value to me and I am a debtor to fulfill the entire law

It does not say that. It says if you get circumcised in order to be justified (made righteous), Messiah will be of no value to you. By getting circumcised in order to be justified, you are rejecting justification by faith through Messiah. You are saying, "I don't need Messiah. I can become righteous through my own works." That is a rejection of Yeshua himself resulting in a fall from grace. Once in that condition, a person would need to keep the whole law perfectly because once he sinned, once he broke the law one time, he would be lost forever having no means of being made righteous again.

 

[dfw69]

(1) there are robots, more robots than members logged into this forum.
(2) there are AI software that can imitate a person and responses so well that you would never find out in some cases. (on this forum, on the internet in general, and even 'talking'(yes, with a 'human' voice) on phone conversations interactively) ......
(3) I am old, and once was young, and NEVER have I seen God forsake the righteous. (I have seen more miracles than anyone else I've met in person as far as I know; and others overseas have seen more in ONE WEEK than I've seen in ten years)
(4)
the most important: read what Jesus says. Jesus Own Word in the Bible,
about the kingdom of God/ the kingdom of heaven. (IF anyone tries to say those are different, ignore them) (test by God's Word to verify this) ....
(5)
all the world, and most churches and most church leaders, will do exactly what Jesus says they will do. (this will need explaining later, because it does NOT mean that they obey Jesus nor that they follow Him; He just spoke what they will do, and they do what He warned His disciples to watch out for).....
(6)
the kingdom of God IS AT HAND. (read in BIBLE)
THIS IS what JESUS said and says.
"Repent" = "TURN TOWARDS GOD" why? "BECAUSE the KINGDOM of GOD is at hand." JESUS SAYS THIS IN THE BIBLE -
to those people and disciples HE TALKS TO IN PERSON ! AND IT IS SO !

AND IT IS WONDERFUL !

Wow that's crazy .. You mean it's possible I've been talking to a bunch of Ai systems.. That sux ... Seems so .. Seems some I talk to lack emotion and only wish to hurt one feelings as they teach and seek to get a one angry ..they offend without care probably robots

 

[dfw69]

dp

 

[dfw69]

The Torah was part of the Sinai Covenant (Old Covenant), but that covenant entailed more than Torah. The difference between the Old and New Covenants is not that the Old had Torah and the New does not. Under the New, Torah is written internally. The difference is in how each covenant is administered. The Old had a judgment phase unto death, the New does not.


It does not say that. It says if you get circumcised in order to be justified (made righteous), Messiah will be of no value to you. By getting circumcised in order to be justified, you are rejecting justification by faith through Messiah. You are saying, "I don't need Messiah. I can become righteous through my own works." That is a rejection of Yeshua himself resulting in a fall from grace. Once in that condition, a person would need to keep the whole law perfectly because once he sinned, once he broke the law one time, he would be lost forever having no means of being made righteous again.

If that's the case no thanks I'll keep my foreskin

 

[dfw69]

The Torah was part of the Sinai Covenant (Old Covenant), but that covenant entailed more than Torah. The difference between the Old and New Covenants is not that the Old had Torah and the New does not. Under the New, Torah is written internally. The difference is in how each covenant is administered. The Old had a judgment phase unto death, the New does not.


It does not say that. It says if you get circumcised in order to be justified (made righteous), Messiah will be of no value to you. By getting circumcised in order to be justified, you are rejecting justification by faith through Messiah. You are saying, "I don't need Messiah. I can become righteous through my own works." That is a rejection of Yeshua himself resulting in a fall from grace. Once in that condition, a person would need to keep the whole law perfectly because once he sinned, once he broke the law one time, he would be lost forever having no means of being made righteous again.

So I can keep the law and not be circumcised?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Wow that's crazy .. You mean it's possible I've been talking to a bunch of Ai systems.. That sux ... Seems so .. Seems some I talk to lack emotion and only wish to hurt one feelings as they teach and seek to get a one angry ..they offend without care probably robots

Think THAT's crazy ? Sad thing is WORSE.
As Jesus says in Bible "you (who He's talking to) HAVE the keys to the kingdom, but refuse to enter in;
and whenever a little one seeks the kingdom of God, you do everything you can to prevent them !
you(who He's talking to) won't lift your little finger to help someone,
BUT you will raise money and cross oceans and deserts
to find and make ONE CONVERT ...... (yes, just one) .....
and you (who He's talking to)
make THAT ONE CONVERT seven times more a son of the devil than yourself.


and those 'converts' , are WORSE perhaps, sadder for sure,
than the robots.... those 'converts' TOTALLY brainwashed and deceived believe they are doing God a favor if they kill God's children....
and they won't listen (they cannot, apparently) to the truth of forums , or anywhere, because
as it is written, God has given them over to believe their own delusion....
they really really really believe the devil and won't give it up for anything...

(God knows if there is any exception, and when and if to pray for them)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So I can keep the law and not be circumcised?

yes. (see this in New Testament) (simple)
(if) You are not counting on keeping the law to be justified nor to make brownie points with God nor with priests.
i.e. just keep the law like you do keep america's laws - traffic laws, etc....
because it is GOOD. and RIGHT. and
if people did keep the law (not to be justified, but instead of breaking the law and obeying satan)
then there would be NO CRIME , NO PHARMACY, NO GREED, NO ADULTERY, NO DIVORCE, etc etc etc NO MURDER, NO ABORTION, NO IDOLATRY.... etc etc etc

 

[dfw69]

Think THAT's crazy ? Sad thing is WORSE.
As Jesus says in Bible "you (who He's talking to) HAVE the keys to the kingdom, but refuse to enter in;
and whenever a little one seeks the kingdom of God, you do everything you can to prevent them !
you(who He's talking to) won't lift your little finger to help someone,
BUT you will raise money and cross oceans and deserts
to find and make ONE CONVERT ...... (yes, just one) .....
and you (who He's talking to)
make THAT ONE CONVERT seven times more a son of the devil than yourself.


and those 'converts' , are WORSE perhaps, sadder for sure,
than the robots.... those 'converts' TOTALLY brainwashed and deceived believe they are doing God a favor if they kill God's children....
and they won't listen (they cannot, apparently) to the truth of forums , or anywhere, because
as it is written, God has given them over to believe their own delusion....
they really really really believe the devil and won't give it up for anything...

(God knows if there is any exception, and when and if to pray for them)

Was not Jesus referring to the Pharisee and Sadducees when he spoke those words ?

Or was it the scribes and Pharisees?

 

[dfw69]

yes. (see this in New Testament) (simple)
(if) You are not counting on keeping the law to be justified nor to make brownie points with God nor with priests.
i.e. just keep the law like you do keep america's laws - traffic laws, etc....
because it is GOOD. and RIGHT. and
if people did keep the law (not to be justified, but instead of breaking the law and obeying satan)
then there would be NO CRIME , NO PHARMACY, NO GREED, NO ADULTERY, NO DIVORCE, etc etc etc NO MURDER, NO ABORTION, NO IDOLATRY.... etc etc etc

I don't keep the laws of God but I have never committed anything on the list you have above .. Now isn't that amazing?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I don't keep the laws of God but I have never committed anything on the list you have above .. Now isn't that amazing?

I don't know..... R U A RO BOT ?
hahaha

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I don't keep the laws of God but I have never committed anything on the list you have above .. Now isn't that amazing?

Did you ever read Romans (I think that's where it is written) >>
When the gentiles
who do not have TORAH,
keep TORAH
from their HEART,
.......

 

[dfw69]

I don't know..... R U A RO BOT ?
hahaha

Yes I'm r2d2 lol

 

[dfw69]

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[yeshuaslavejeff]

.... yum yum pizza all gone ....

 

[dfw69]

.... yum yum pizza all gone ....

You cow ... Next time save me a piece ...