Is being Wiccan moral?

nami · Sep 1, 2003

Hello, I have recently come to understand that God's Will is rather specific for most Christians and for those whom it is not, are usually not considered Chrisitans by others. God says to not impose your 'will' in any form over another unless you are stopping something evil that is against God's law. That would mean that in any form one can not impose ones will over another (through gifts or otherwise.) What the Bible clearly says about morality is different from other religions,philosophy,ect.
God says not to conform to the laws of Man,but of God.
A good example of this is our debate over the origins of the Constitution.
I wonder what our forefathers would say about many of the laws passed/allowed today. When Man depends on what He understands/knows,(well, the Bible clearly shows what will happen.)
The morality of Man will change, most likely for the worse. God set forth His Law as to guide man in moral nature. Not man's nature.
God's Law is separate from what nature would imply,dictate.
It is above all.Divine.
It is my personal testimony that God's love is His Law. If you can have faith in that, then you are blessed. If not: listen to facts,origins,your heart.

Brother Christman · Sep 1, 2003

Wicca = Satanism Lite (all the damnation, half the guilt). An "is Satanism moral?" thread should be started next.

Teh Wiccan · Sep 1, 2003

Listening to my heart is how I came to believe in Wicca

Brother Christman... Could you perhaps elborate somewhat?

Brother Christman · Sep 1, 2003

Teh Wiccan said:
Listening to my heart is how I came to believe in Wicca

Brother Christman... Could you perhaps elborate somewhat?

Sure. Tell your heart to listen closely:

"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee" -- Deuteronomy 18:10-12

Teh Wiccan · Sep 1, 2003

I was referring more to the word Satanism Lite. Satanism is much, much different than Wicca, for some points the value systems are diametrically opposed.

Blindfaith · Sep 2, 2003

And we'll leave Satanism right there at the door swinging shut...................won't we?

Kira Faye · Sep 2, 2003

If I believe 100% I am right and you believe 100% u are right and we have both spoken to our gods..who is right? We wont know till the end.and u can;t say well I aqm right because jesus is the way because there are many other religions believe whole heartedly they are correct and some religions have a bigger following or at least similar numbers..u never know till the end. Di the bible teach religious tolerance..I don't see any here, god may exist in different manifestation for different people because people have different ways of interpreting the things..so everyone is wrong and everyone is correct. On the moral side yes wicca is morally correct in society and because we all live in different societies where christina vaules are not the be all and end all its hard to justify them as un-moral. Agree and to disagree..teach but don't preach....god will speak to people in different ways.....just learn to except other peoples differences and celebrate we can all talk nicly too each other abotu such things. Blessed Be

Arikay · Sep 2, 2003

Can you please explain to us, what Wicca and Satanism have in common?

I am curious.

Brother Christman said:
Wicca = Satanism Lite (all the damnation, half the guilt). An "is Satanism moral?" thread should be started next.

SqueezetheShaman · Sep 2, 2003

well said Kira

Rae · Sep 5, 2003

Can you please explain to us, what Wicca and Satanism have in common?
--Nothing, really. LaVeyan Satanism, the kind of Satanism most practiced, is atheistic. Wicca is highly theistic. LaVeyan Satanism encourages returning evil for evil. Wicca denies the right to do this.

BTW, there's no way Deuteronomy could have been referring to Wicca. It didn't exist at the time, and neither did its spiritual ancestors.

jetrich · Sep 9, 2003

First off, morality is relative, so coming to a Christian website and asking if Wicca is moral is obviously going to get some heated conversation. Christian moral and Wiccan moral can be two very different things.

Speaking from a Christian standpoint I can say with little reservation that Wicca is an immoral practice because of my religious conviction. I will tolerate its existance although I am not in agreement with it. The guide for living my life is the 10 commandments, and the moral standard I should strive to maintain. In doing so I can only conclude that Wicca is immoral.

Secondly, the only thing that Wicca and Satanism have in common is that they are not in line with Christian beliefs.

Also, the bible tells us that narrow is the path to eternal life and few will find it. There are two ways, according to Christian beliefs, to get to heaven: works and faith. If a person believes in Christ and his death and resurrection they will be saved, if you do not accept Christ you would have to "earn" salvation through works.

Volos · Sep 9, 2003

Originally posted by : jetrich

First off, morality is relative, so coming to a Christian website and asking if Wicca is moral is obviously going to get some heated conversation. Christian moral and Wiccan moral can be two very different things.

Speaking from a Christian standpoint I can say with little reservation that Wicca is an immoral practice because of my religious conviction. I will tolerate its existance although I am not in agreement with it. The guide for living my life is the 10 commandments, and the moral standard I should strive to maintain. In doing so I can only conclude that Wicca is immoral.

You do realize you managed to contradict yourself here? You claim morality is relative yet you also claim to embrace the 10 commandments as your personal moral standard, the 10 commandments are part of an authoritarian moral code.If morality is relative as you claim then how can you claim Wicca is immoral? By the standards of relativism it is simply an alternative viewpoint and as such beyond criticism.

Havoc · Sep 9, 2003

I wouldn't say it is beyond criticism. One of the hallmarks of Modern Paganism is the ability to examine and critique our faith. Without the element of Dogma which teaches to accept "the truth" without question, self examination and religious examination is encouraged. Thus Paganism becomes more healthy through lack of Dogmatism.

jetrich · Sep 9, 2003

Volos said:
You do realize you managed to contradict yourself here? You claim morality is relative yet you also claim to embrace the 10 commandments as your personal moral standard, the 10 commandments are part of an authoritarian moral code.If morality is relative as you claim then how can you claim Wicca is immoral? By the standards of relativism it is simply an alternative viewpoint and as such beyond criticism.

Morality is relative to the set of beliefs an individual holds. I contradicted myself not in the least. Since I claim the 10 commandments would that not make it immoral to follow a god other than YHWH?

My point is that each religion, or lack thereof, will follow a set of morals. Those different sets of morals may or may not have parallels. As a Christian, in embracing the 10 commandments, I cannot accept the taking of a god other than YHWH as a moral action, that would be in violation of my religious beliefs. Thus a moral conflict.

Morals may be relative to each person or religious group, but that does not in any way make them true or acceptable in all cases. Since I embrace YHWH as the one true God (revealed in three persons) that would be my moral absolute.

I hope that cleared it up.

canthearyounow · Nov 2, 2003

I don't think it's bad to be wiccan, yuor not harming anyone unless you do hexes. BUt most Wiccans don't. I don't see Satanism in that at all. The oldest rule for wiccans is HARM NONE. Plus the law of three fold, which is like karma.

TheOriginalWhitehorse · Nov 3, 2003

This is a very interesting question, about the morality of wicca. There are a couple of questions I would need to ask in order to make a determination:

First we would need to ask God what His will is.

Of course, a wiccan would say s/he does not believe in Jehovah.

But what is the motive for choosing wicca? This sort of religion is chosen, whereas Christianity is not chosen, but imparted. People believe it not because it is desireable-no, it is the single most offensive religion on the planet simply because it does not allow temporal beings to create reality, which it is impossible for people to do anyway, or to make choices about things eternal because we have neither the authority nor the power to do so. Christianity is imparted, not chosen.

Can we really have the right to choose our own gods? If so, then we are in authority over those gods, which, if any had been the real God, we would have no authority, as evidenced by our temporality. So this does not make sense.

Moreover, if the religion is new, that means someone invented it and it cannot be the proper authority on things eternal. And it all boils down to Who we consult as to morality. As created beings, we are created obviously for the purpose of Another, not for our own. That is why we were created, because again, we have no say in our existence.

So to whom do we go for authority? God.

Once we go to this authority, we know whether or not a religion is moral by whether or not it is true, and acceptable to God.

Just a thought.

HadouKen24 · Nov 4, 2003

I think that if you spend some serious time considering Life, the Universe, and Everything, and come to your conclusions to the best of your ability, then it would be immoral not to accept those conclusions. You're the one ultimately responsible for the beliefs that you hold.

If your conclusions lead you to believe that Wicca is true, then it would be immoral NOT to become a Wiccan.

TheOriginalWhitehorse · Nov 4, 2003

HadouKen24 said:
I think that if you spend some serious time considering Life, the Universe, and Everything, and come to your conclusions to the best of your ability, then it would be immoral not to accept those conclusions. You're the one ultimately responsible for the beliefs that you hold.

If your conclusions lead you to believe that Wicca is true, then it would be immoral NOT to become a Wiccan.

Sure, I see what you're saying about conviction. Definitely an important element. But I would have to ask, supposing it is not true. Can morality, regardless of intention, be couched in what is not true? Wouldn't this offend the God of truth, even if the intent was good? Again, it would seem the answer lies in *how* the determination is reached that wicca is a proper determination of truth and morality.

But my understanding is that these may not necessarily be the prime objective of wicca, being that it is a new religion.

Blessings to all,
Whitehorse

Marvel · Nov 4, 2003

Of course. What's wrong with it? It's just another faith.

HadouKen24 · Nov 4, 2003

Sure, I see what you're saying about conviction. Definitely an important element. But I would have to ask, supposing it is not true. Can morality, regardless of intention, be couched in what is not true? Wouldn't this offend the God of truth, even if the intent was good? Again, it would seem the answer lies in *how* the determination is reached that wicca is a proper determination of truth and morality.

The problem is that none of us here on Earth know for sure whether any religion is really correct. We may have strong beliefs and convictions, and we might be able to back that up with facts and proofs. But we're still very limited creatures.

So I think that we have to act to the best of our ability given the information we have. You have to take responsibility for yourself. To fail to do so in this area is to sin against yourself. It's acting in "bad faith," as Sartre would put it.

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