is being a cheerleader moral?

Havoc · May 21, 2004

An Activity does not have to be competitive to be a sport. That's why there's a whole segment of sports called "competitive sports". If it had to be competitive to be a sport then the tem "competitive sports" would be redundant.

JillLars · May 21, 2004

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([font=verdana, sans-serif] P [/font]) Pronunciation Key (spôrt, sp

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n.

<LI type=a>Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.

A particular form of this activity.

An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.

An active pastime; recreation.

Just to make a note that cheerleading can be done competetively or not, either way it involves physical exertion. Also, just to state, fishing, and hunting can also be done competetively or not.

12volt_man · May 21, 2004

JillLars said:
[/list]Just to make a note that cheerleading can be done competetively or not, either way it involves physical exertion.

No one is disputing that it involves physical exertion or that the girls are in good shape but that doesn't make it a sport.

Also, just to state, fishing, and hunting can also be done competetively or not.

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I've honestly never heard of competitive hunting but, in any event, they're still not sports.

12volt_man · May 21, 2004

Havoc said:
An Activity does not have to be competitive to be a sport. That's why there's a whole segment of sports called "competitive sports". If it had to be competitive to be a sport then the tem "competitive sports" would be redundant.

I have played sports all my life. Baseball from t-ball through high school and American Legion.

Football, from peewee up through high school and some college.

Up until about aeighteen months ago, I played hockey in a league that included guys who had played in the AHL.

I have coached Little League baseball and youth hockey.

In all of this, I have never heard of sports being seperated into "competitive" and "non-competitive sports".

There is no such thing. Something can be competitive without being a sport, such as cheerleading, professional bass fishing, bridge, etc. but it cannot be a sport without being competitive.

JillLars · May 21, 2004

Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, get over yourself.

Archivist · May 21, 2004

12volt_man said:
I have played sports all my life. Baseball from t-ball through high school and American Legion.

Football, from peewee up through high school and some college.

Up until about aeighteen months ago, I played hockey in a league that included guys who had played in the AHL.

I have coached Little League baseball and youth hockey.

In all of this, I have never heard of sports being seperated into "competitive" and "non-competitive sports".

There is no such thing. Something can be competitive without being a sport, such as cheerleading, professional bass fishing, bridge, etc. but it cannot be a sport without being competitive.

The Encyclopedia Britannica defines a sports as "recreational or competitive activities that involve some amount of physical strength or skill."

This obviously would include activities ranging from cheerleading to fishing and hunting, in fact Britannica specifically names all three as being sports.

I believe that the Encyclopedia Britannica is a far superior source to your opinion.

12volt_man · May 21, 2004

JillLars said:
Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, get over yourself.

Get over what? Why is it a bad thing to admit that I've been up to my neck in sports for thirty years and have never once heard anyone make this distinction.

Maybe you could stop with the childish comments long enough to show us an example of this distinction actually being found somewhere in sports.

12volt_man · May 21, 2004

Archivist said:
I believe that the Encyclopedia Britannica is a far superior source to your opinion.

Wow! What is it with you guys and the snotty little put downs?

Is this what you guys resort to when you don't have anything intelligent to say or what?

JillLars · May 21, 2004

In all of this, I have never heard of sports being seperated into "competitive" and "non-competitive sports".

There is no such thing.

The comment wasn't childish, you are asserting that because you haven't heard of it that there isn't such a thing. Sports are either recreational or competetive, they can be played as either (see the definition above.) If I played a game of touch football with my brothers, I'm playing for recreation, when my brother play football for a school team, they are playing competitively. Any sport can be done as such, which is why they are categorized as competetive or recreational.

You just have a different definition of sport, but that doesn't make your definition right, and you can't just change accepted definitions because you don't agree, that's not the way it works.

12volt_man · May 21, 2004

JillLars said:
The comment wasn't childish,

No, but your comment that I should "get over myself" was, as though I believed I was speaking ex cathedra.

I offered an opinion. Nothing more. If you don't like my opinion, then either show me that it's wrong or just ignore it altogether. There's no need to be insulting.

you are asserting that because you haven't heard of it that there isn't such a thing.

No, I'm asserting that because of my experience in amateur sports and my having dealt with a wide variety of amateur atheletes and governing bodies, never having heard such a phrase, I have to assume that it is not in common usage.

If it is not in common usage, then it's perfectly reasonable to ask where this phrase comes from.

Sports are either recreational or competetive, they can be played as either (see the definition above.) If I played a game of touch football with my brothers, I'm playing for recreation, when my brother play football for a school team, they are playing competitively. Any sport can be done as such, which is why they are categorized as competetive or recreational.

But touch football is still a sport so you're playing a sport simply by virtue of playing touch football, not where you're playing touch football.

You just have a different definition of sport, but that doesn't make your definition right, and you can't just change accepted definitions because you don't agree, that's not the way it works.

Yes, I have an opinion. You have an opinion. Notice, though, that I have not insulted you over your opinion.

And I don't expect to change "accepted definitions just because I disagree".

The problem is that you still haven't shown that this is an "accepted definition".

I mean, personally, I don't care. I don't care if you call it a sport. I don't care if you call knitting a sport. I just don't understand why you feel the need to put people down just because they disagree with you.

Archivist · May 21, 2004

12volt_man said:
Wow! What is it with you guys and the snotty little put downs?

Is this what you guys resort to when you don't have anything intelligent to say or what?

So, quoting Britannica isn't intelligent? You make it sound like your opinion is supreme and no one should disagree. This was not a "snotty little put down," I was simply pointing out that accepted facts are superior to personal opinion.

Kira Faye · May 21, 2004

Well from what I can tell from winning dancing competitions, if we want to define sport as competitve then yes dance and cheerleadign are competitve. I have been to many and witnessed many dance competitions and even something as lame (though I really enjoyed it) as bring it on, see they had that strange national titloe thing at the end where they 'competed' to win in cheerleading.......therefore sport by that definition, case closed!

Routerider · May 21, 2004

Why would anyone even suggest that cheerleading is immoral? I can't even come up with any facet of cheerleading that sounds "bad".

Caylin · May 21, 2004

Its only immoral if you don't post a picture of you in your uniform...

Mr. Fields · May 21, 2004

Dracon427 said:
Its only immoral if you don't post a picture of you in your uniform...

Dracon, you are evil I tell you! Evil! Evil!

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