Nonsense.. no where in the bible does Jesus refer to the whole scripture being the word of God. it is not there at all. The only reference that could even be close to suggesting such a thing is the one by Paul who said that all scripture is inspired by God.. This is not the same as saying that it is the actual word of God.
Friend, if this was a thread about the authority of the Word of God, I would write more in detail. But it is not.
Now, you mentioned a verse from Paul's Epistles. In fact, that's what I already told you: you need to know what "Inspiration" means. As soon as you understand what that means concerning the Scripture, you will know how all the words of the Bible are the Word of God, and how this doesn't contradict the fact that not all words are said by God in all contexts.
More acurately I know that it is not and the only claim that it is comes from Christains who usually also state that it is inerrant [even though there are clearly errors], that it is infalliable [even though the 1000s of denominations proves without a doubt that it is not infalliable]. What it boils down to is either a lack of honesty or failure to see the truth on the part of those who make the claims.
Again, this belongs to another thread.
But for now, let me just tell you the following:
As for what you say concerning inerrancy: there are NO errors in the original.
As for what you say about infallibility: it is not human understanding of the Scripture that makes it infallible. The Word of God is infallible, even if many people do not understand it.
Of course I know what I am talking about, a collection of books bound together and called the bible. I think you missed my point completely.
Then how do you say that you can add to THE Bible and yet not add to the Word of God?
What about the words of Paul? was/is he God, and how about James and Peter and Luke and all the other assorted authors each who have added thier own word into the text, are these all the word of God or are they the words of the men who wrote them? What about things we are told others said are we to assume that this is God talking or should we see it for what it is?
Again, go learn about "inspiration" in the biblical context.
You would have a very hard time showing this to be true. What we have here is simply your opinion and one that is not supported by the text. There is not one reference anywhere that refers to the word of God as a book, nor as paper and ink, It is referred to as spirit and then in the NT it became flesh in the person of Jesus.
And in the Bible it is WRITTEN by words.
I will not have hard time to show it to you. But first forget about your islamic definition of what we mean by "The Word of God".
You want the Word of God to be incarnated in each word of the Bible, or else you will not believe that the Bible is the Word of God. But the fact is that we are not saying that the Bible is the INCARNATED Word of God, but it is the inspired, written Word of God.
I know what inspiration means, It means to be inspired to do something it does not mean that the source of the inspiration actually does whatever it has inspired one to do.
Wrong. You don't know what inspiration means in the biblical context. God doesn't talk to us without the men of God. He talks through them, by leading them to write when it comes to Scripture.
I don't know how Muslims talk about it as I have never discussed the subject with them, but if that's the case then I agree with them. If the text says "God said" or "The Word of God came to them saying" then a case can be made for that being the words of God but when the text says Peter said it is absolutely clear that it is Peters words that we are reading.
Ok. You are free to agree with Muslims. They believe that the Qur'an has discended from God. No human element is contained in it, according to them.
But if you want to be a Christian, then you need to be familiar with the real written Word of God, and you need to accept the fact that God talks to us by inspiration, and not by direct words falling from Heaven.
No the bible is a collection of books thought to be inspired by God, not the Word of God, the very bible you speak of defines the word of God and not as paper and ink and certianly not as a collection of writings that would be bound together 100s of years later.
"thought" to be inspired by God??
Not really inspired by God?
Anyway, that's another thread.
Not true, Show me any scripture where Jesus or his disciples refer to the bible as the Word of God?
"And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'?" ( Matthew 19:4-5 )
I remind you that this last sentence was not originally said by God, but by the writer of Genesis or by Adam, but certainly not by God directly talking to anyone in the context. But Jesus says that He who created them male and female SAID that sentence.
You challenged me so I responded, If you want to talk about water baptism go ahead, I think I have already comment on that earlier in the thread.
The fact is that the first person among both of us who began to doubt the authority of Scripture in this thread is you. So it is you who began the challenge. I was talking about water baptism. Instead of just commenting on that USING SCRIPTURE, you preferred to throw doubt on the authority of Scripture, and then give your personal opinion about baptism.
Well, I think you can give your personal opinion about baptism WITHOUT sinning against the Word of God.
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