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I've read the whole chapter and you've failed to explain how it contradicts my explanation. Please feel free to elaborate if you're able to.
Just to say so, that's a great passage. Modern church teachings are constantly trying to beat into our heads that our flesh is wicked, and we can't help sinning because of its weakness. But Paul is here making a conspicuous point that he has become the master of his body and made it his slave.
So much for the often ill-quoted, out of context Romans 7 references that make us out to be helpless against the wiles of our wicked flesh.
Thanks for pointing out that passage. It's so small and innocuous, but oh so powerful.
Romans 6.I've never heard that. Chapter and verse please.
The will is freed. The will is changed. This is essentially the same thing.The will is changed.
No they don't.You are correct. Every person, no matter how committed to Jesus Christ, still has the option of turning away and forfeiting salvation at any time up to the moment of death.
That is a complete lie through and through.Salvation can be lost by neglect. God is not keeping it for us. So I agree.
It’s the truth.That is a complete lie through and through.
Where does this say that he is keeping their salvation safe from them deciding to fall or walk away for the reasons He himself said they do? He gives eternal life but they can throw it away. He actually said many would fall away and gave the reasons.What does Jesus have to say about this topic?
John 10:28 (KJV) (Jesus speaking in these verses)
And I give unto them eternal life ; and they shall never perish , neither shall any man pluck them out of my Father's hand.
If one jumps put if the hand he lets them go. He does perform a lobotomy so they got mo choice.10:29 (KJV) Jesus continues to speak.
My Father , which gave them me , is greater than all ; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
10:30 (KJV) Jesus still speaking.
I and my Father are one.
Those three verses will preach!!!
Amen!!!
Until the day they decide to fall away for reasons Jesus said happen.If one is truly saved, they are ALWAYS SAVED!
The Bible says we ought not neglect our salvation but WORK OUT your salvation with fear and trembling.It has absolutely nothing to do with neglect.
Do you believe you need to love God or is that an optional extra?So yes friends , you absolutely can have assurance of your salvation.
Rejoice .
Ok, is the faith to believe a gift or a choice?Where did I write believing the claims of Christ is a gift?
Salvation isn’t for your personal comfort and pleasure. Once you learn that, you’ll understand the whole Bible better.Salvation isn't a prize. It isn't based on our performance. Once you learn that, you'll understand that chapter better.
It isn't the truth whatsoever.It’s the truth. Where does this say that he is keeping their salvation safe from them deciding to fall or walk away for the reasons He himself said they do? He gives eternal life but they can throw it away. He actually said many would fall away and gave the reasons.
If one jumps put if the hand he lets them go. He does perform a lobotomy so they got mo choice. Until the day they decide to fall away for reasons Jesus said happen. The Bible says we ought not neglect our salvation but WORK OUT your salvation with fear and trembling.
Do you believe you need to love God or is that an optional extra?
There is no verse that says “rejoice, you’re going to heaven no matter what you do.”
How come Jesus never preached for men to merely receive a perfect gift and they’d never be able to lose it? Frankly, neither did anyone else for that matter.Every good and perfect gift is from God.
How come the gift is not called free? how come all of them required repentance if it was a gift?Romans 6
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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I disagree with you. You are not Jesus. Disagreeing with you is NOT disagreeing with Jesus. Getting that confused is dangerous.It isn't the truth whatsoever.
So you disagree with the very words of Jesus.
That is a very, very dangerous thing to do.
Jesus never said” I assure you of your salvation.” He actually said “take care believers that no one deceive you.”And, as far as the rejoice, I was just stating rejoice.
As you know (or obviously should) I never implied it as a part of Scripture regarding the assurance of salvation, but rather rejoice in the very words of Jesus regarding the assurance of salvation .
I am taking care as he said we ought to. But it would be foolish to convince an OSAS believer they need to take care. Those verses are blacked out in their Bibles.It will be a futile attempt for anyone to refute His words in those three verses I quoted, if not downright foolish.
I've asked you twice now to clarify how your question relates to my original comment and you have not done so. In order to best answer your question, explain how it relates/or is unrelated to my comment and I will gladly answer.Ok, is the faith to believe a gift or a choice?
You're welcome as you still haven't explained your reply - whether you refuse or are unable to.If I'm able? Thanks for the condesending tone. I think our discussion is over. I don't appreciate the childish accusation.
Once again you are wrong.I disagree with you. You are not Jesus. Disagreeing with you is NOT disagreeing with Jesus. Getting that confused is dangerous.
Jesus never said” I assure you of your salvation.” He actually said “take care believers that no one deceive you.”
I am taking care as he said we ought to. But it would be foolish to convince an OSAS believer they need to take care. Those verses are blacked out in their Bibles.
Once again you are wrong.
I never said I was Jesus (obviously), I presented the words of Jesus which you clearly reject.
What else do you reject regarding what Jesus says?
Rejecting Jesus words is very dangerous.
And no verses are blacked out in my Bible.
You have a problem of taking simple verses way out of context.
And , you have not refuted what Jesus said in those three verses John 10:28-30.
If one is truly saved he or she cannot lose their salvation.
PERIOD.
I trust what Jesus and His Word states , not mere mans misunderstandings of verses.
He was quite clear in those three verses with no confusion whatsoever.
What does this verse mean to you?Romans 11:22 is also perfectly clear.
What does this verse mean to you?
What is the subject matter?
Yeah it is pretty clear as it has nothing to do with the assurance of ones salvation.It's pretty clear. Of course I know you're gonna twist it into some gentile vs. Jewish thing.
Read the parable of the vine in John 15 and it'll be clear to you.
Yeah it is pretty clear as it has nothing to do with the assurance of ones salvation.
Apparently it is you who is twisting that verse to fill you're narrative.
And, you have the audacity to presume I would do exactly what you are doing.
Seriously?
SMH .
I have no reason to doubt that you are a regenerate believer. So with that presumption, allow me to pose a direct question to you. Please answer it as you would answer for yourself; not how someone else might supposedly answer it. My question to you is:If one is truly saved he or she cannot lose their salvation.
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