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Is asking God to heal someone pointless ?

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Asking God to heal someone is pointless. Do you really think God is going to change His eternal plan because we ask Him to?

Ever hear of the Butterfly Effect?

If you want to believe that, instead of what the Bible clearly states, well, good on yer mate, carry on with your life, because you will never be healed, nor will you see anyone else around being healed. So don't worry about it!

But note that there are churches and people around who do believe that God heals today and when they pray the prayer of faith, people get healed on a regular basis. They are not prepared to stand around and just watch their friends die without doing something about it with God.
 
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I didn't read a lot of the replies, but i read some
God most certainly heals and miracles happen every day. At church on sunday, just a few days ago, God both touched and healed a painful lump in my sinuses and strept throat. All of it dissolved after i was anointed with oil and we began to pray. That quickly! All of the mucus disappeared out of my lungs and i felt amazing the rest of the day. The lump has not come back. So yes, have faith! Our God most certainly heals us! And there is never a "pointless" healing because it is ALWAYS to His glory! :-D Praise God!
 
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to clarify, by pointless, i mean is it effective. Do people get healed.

And noone can yet say that it has worked - will you be the first :) ?

I have seen people healed after I have prayed with them.

I believe that healing is found at the cross, that Jesus paid for the healing of our physical bodies in a similar way to paying for our sins.

Blessings,

Mike
 
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jenjen486 said:
Anthony-That is very encouraging to here! I have seen the Lord heal so many times, for so many things when it is done according to how it says in James. Why run to man when we have a Father who controls all things!

Thanks, can i ask - do you pray by asking God to heal, or do you tell the sickness to go like Jesus did?
 
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Great is the Lord- James 5:14-Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. 16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
 
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Exactly the scripture i was about to post jenjen. Godisgreat, what would jesus do? Rebuke the illness or affliction, and pray for God to heal, believe, and it will be done. Or even better, pray to God! :-D Ask Him what to pray, to fill your heart with His words. His Spirit will guide you, for gracious and longing to be gracious is our Lord God almighty. Peace be with you and God bless. :groupray:
 
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Godisgreat, what would jesus do? Rebuke the illness or affliction, and pray for God to heal, believe, and it will be done.

AnthonyMichael, please can you give an example of when Jesus prayed to God for God to heal someone?

Kind regards,

Mike
 
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AnthonyMichael, please can you give an example of when Jesus prayed to God for God to heal someone?

Kind regards,

Mike

Joh 11:41 Then they took away the stone where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, Father, I thank You that You have heard Me.
Joh 11:42 And I know that You hear Me always, but because of the people who stand by I said it, so that they may believe that You have sent Me.


Not sure if this is an example of what you are asking.
 
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There is a general exhortation which would undoubtedly include healing.

"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God" (Philippians 4:6).

So, it appears that God will not refuse healing to someone who asks Him, but it is the same as anything else we ask for that we know it is God's will and He will provide. But we don't stop there, because after asking, we go to the next step and receive by faith what we are asking for.

“So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened" (Luke 11:9-10).
 
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Joh 11:41 Then they took away the stone where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, Father, I thank You that You have heard Me.
Joh 11:42 And I know that You hear Me always, but because of the people who stand by I said it, so that they may believe that You have sent Me.


Not sure if this is an example of what you are asking.

Thanks for that.

It doesn't quite fit what I was looking for, because it isn't Jesus praying to the Father for someone to be healed.

I asked the question of AnthonyMichael as he had said in a earlier post referring to healing "Or even better pray to God".

My understanding of the subject is that Jesus never asked the Father to heal anyone, rather Jesus commanded healing or deliverance or cleansing....

It is a subtle point, but if we are to follow Jesus' example, subtle points are important.

Regards,

Mike
 
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I would say to read matthew, mark, luke and john. Jesus was ALWAYS praying. He was perfect. If i come across a specific passage, i will post it. Jesus, however, was always praying. Who knows if he even ever stopped

If this was in response to my earlier question, you missed the point. Did Jesus ever pray to the Father for someone to be healed?

I'm sure He prayed alot and as you say, may never have stopped, but my understanding of the Gospels suggests that Jesus never prayed to the Father for someone to be healed, rather, He commanded the healing to take place.

To take this a step further, the Bible does not tell us to pray for the sick - rather it tells us to heal the sick.

If you look at the accounts of when Jesus sent the 12 (Matt 10) and then later the 72 (Luke 10) there is no instruction to pray to God for healing.

As I said in my post to Whatfor, it is a subtle difference, but, I believe, an important one.

Kind regards,

Mike
 
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Yes, mikebigg, perhaps i see what you are getting at, and yes, the Lord has given us a certain amount of authority, but He also lets us know when to use it. We are gifted with spiritual discernment.
To clarify, when i said 'better yet, pray to God', i was suggesting it as guidance, not specifically for healing. Pray to God and ask what to pray, whom to pray for, for the worda to say, for guidance, etc.
And in regards to your statement about not praying for the sick:
James 5:13-16 Is any among you suffering? Let him pray. Is any cheerful? Let him sing praises.
Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the assembly, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord,
and the prayer of faith will heal him who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. If he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
Confess your offenses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The insistent prayer of a righteous person is powerfully effective.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-23 Rejoice always.
Pray without ceasing.
In everything give thanks, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus toward you.
Don't quench the Spirit.
Don't despise prophesies.
Test all things, and hold firmly that which is good.
Abstain from every form of evil.
May the God of peace himself sanctify you completely. May your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hope that clarifies, but yes, Jesus Himself has given us a certain amount of authoriry, yes, but the humbleshll be exhalted, and the exalted shall be humbled. If we go around commanding the world around without the will of God, then what good are our empty words?
 
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And thank you mikebigg for posting. This is a delightful conversation. I have a tendency to say things and think that they are perfectly clear when my meaning can tend towards being a little murky. Too many abstractions. Lol. So thanks for posting.
I hope i helped clarify, but if not, you can always pray to God for clarification. Our God is a wonderous Shepherd, and He is happy to inform His sheep of His will. :)
 
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And in regards to your statement about not praying for the sick:

Actually, it is more about the style of prayer for the sick - petitionary prayer has its place, but commanding prayer is much more immediately effective.

The insistent prayer of a righteous person is powerfully effective.

I love the word "insistent" in that passage - leads me to ponder on whether commanding prayers were being used.

In relation to your thessaslonians reference, at no point was I suggesting that I don't pray.

Hope that clarifies, but yes, Jesus Himself has given us a certain amount of authoriry, yes, but the humbleshll be exhalted, and the exalted shall be humbled. If we go around commanding the world around without the will of God, then what good are our empty words?

Of course wisdom, discernment, humility, love and grace are all good things in this context as is knowing the will of God. Almost goes without saying.

Blessings,

Mike
 
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And thank you mikebigg for posting. This is a delightful conversation. I have a tendency to say things and think that they are perfectly clear when my meaning can tend towards being a little murky. Too many abstractions. Lol. So thanks for posting.
I hope i helped clarify, but if not, you can always pray to God for clarification. Our God is a wonderous Shepherd, and He is happy to inform His sheep of His will. :)

You know, I pretty sure you didn't mean it to, but that last bit sounds a little patronising.

Anyway.

Blessings,

Mike
 
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Thanks for that.

It doesn't quite fit what I was looking for, because it isn't Jesus praying to the Father for someone to be healed.

I asked the question of AnthonyMichael as he had said in a earlier post referring to healing "Or even better pray to God".

My understanding of the subject is that Jesus never asked the Father to heal anyone, rather Jesus commanded healing or deliverance or cleansing....

It is a subtle point, but if we are to follow Jesus' example, subtle points are important.

Regards,

Mike

I agree with what you are saying, we are told to heal the sick , not ask God to do it.
On the other hand we are told to raise the dead , not ask God to raise them, and Jesus seems to be hinting of communication with the Father.
 
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Sorry for the blunt title, but my last question got sidetracked into better ways of praying. I know...... but my question stands......

Is asking God to heal someone pointless unbelief OR does God sometimes
respond to this type of prayer ?

Hi,

if it is pointless, then Jesus and His disciples would never pray to God the Father for healing, but lo what is written about this:

Mark 9:14-29 "And when he came to his disciples, he saw a great multitude about them, and the scribes questioning with them. And straightway all the people, when they beheld him, were greatly amazed, and running to him saluted him. And he asked the scribes, What question ye with them? And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit; And wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not. He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me. And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming. And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child. And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us. Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief. When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him. And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead. But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose. And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.",

Matthew 8:16 "they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:",

Matthew 9:12-13 "he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice:",

Matthew 10:1-8 "And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease..... These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying..... Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.",

Matthew 14:14 "And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick.",

Acts 5:12-16 "And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people;..... Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them. There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one."

Blessings
 
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