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Is All Sin the Same?

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Zaac said:
You're talking about the CONSEQUENCES.
yep, that's how they aren't the same.
zaac said:
Does God treat all sin the same?
can't attest to how God feels, but if he exists and is remotely sensible he'd use the same measure... factoring in intent/harm.
 
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Zaac said:
Biblical responses please. :)
No, they are not equal:

Matthew30-32
30“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
 
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Zaac said:
Biblical responses please. :)
Are all sins the same- only in the sense that all sin comes from going against God's will. But there are differences in extremity, some worse than others.
For example almost everything is forgiveable except for blasphemy against the holy Spirit, in which there is no forgiveness.
 
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I think this is interesting. My own interpretation is that the sin regardless of how humans view it is not the important thing. The repentance is. If a murderer repents and comes to Christ then they will be forgiven. If a Christian lies and does not repent, then they will not be forgiven. If we equate redemption with the bar on a high jump, it doesn't matter how close we are to the bar, we are still not getting over under our own steam.

John 8:7 - Jesus makes no comparison between one sin and another.
Romans 3:9+10 We are all alike under sin.
Romans 3:20 Righteousness does not come from obeying the law
Romans 3:22+23 We have all fallen short - murderers and liars in the same boat. Righteousness comes from faith in Christ alone.
Romans 6:14 We are not under the law but under Grace.
 
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Zaac said:
The same in that a lie is equal to murder.
Again, in what sense? If I told my mother that I made my bed when I didn't, is that the same as me going out and shooting someone? Obviously not, in one case I can just go back and make my bed, in the other, someone is dead.

If you mean will both send me to hell, I don't know. According to the Bible, I'll go to heaven even if I do either if I'm a Christian, right?
 
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GreenDragon said:
Again, in what sense? If I told my mother that I made my bed when I didn't, is that the same as me going out and shooting someone? Obviously not, in one case I can just go back and make my bed, in the other, someone is dead.

If you mean will both send me to hell, I don't know. According to the Bible, I'll go to heaven even if I do either if I'm a Christian, right?

You will if you genuinely repent.

The sense in which they are the same is the only sense which to my mind matters - the way in which we believe God views sin. Both of the actions above are sin, both seperate you from God, there are no degrees of seperation, so the Human consequence of your sin is not important, the repentance is.
 
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ScottishJohn said:
Both of the actions above are sin, both seperate you from God, there are no degrees of seperation, so the Human consequence of your sin is not important, the repentance is.
Say that when you're sitting in jail for life cause you killed someone, and your buddy is back at home making his bed cause he lied to his mom.
 
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Romans 3:19. Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21. But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22. even the righteousness of God which is through faith in Jesus Christ to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
23. for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God


James 2:8. If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself,'' you do well;
9. but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
10. For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.


Sin is Sin before God because if you commit even one you are guilty for them all but Christ forgives them all with only ONE exception and thats the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit .

Matthew 12:31. "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
 
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GreenDragon said:
Say that when you're sitting in jail for life cause you killed someone, and your buddy is back at home making his bed cause he lied to his mom.

Tell God that your lie was acceptable because it was just a little white one. There are earthly consequences for breaking the laws but before God there is one factor regardless on sin ( with that one exception) -did you ask for repentance ( this is what i was taught about christian views). I think christians should be more worried about eternal fire then time in a jail cell when comparing those two situations in jail at least there is a way out be it time served or death.
 
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If all sin is not the same, why is the end result of sin the same?

Now as to the blaspheming of the the holy spirit. This is how I have explained it and inevitably somebody tells me that I am wrong. :)

Blaspheming the holy spirit amounts to not trusting in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Those who have been born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit are forgiven of EVERY sin because the blood of Christ has covered them all. There is nothing that person can do to have that taken away (some will also disagree here, but that too, is another discussion). If a Christian could do that which couldn't be forgiven, then he couldn't be a Christian because every person who has placed his trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior will be in God's presence. Those who are stained with unforgiveable sin cannot be.

So how could a Christian blaspheme the Holy Spirit? A Christian cannot. The one sin for which no one can be forgiven is not placing your trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior because if you do not, none of your sins are forgiven.
 
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Zaac said:
The same in that a lie is equal to murder.


What is being referred to here is where the Bible talks about

"Sin is not measured"

Have you sinned? (yes) END OF IT.

Stealing is Stealing (piece of bubble gum or $100 from the cash register)
The act is the same.

Sin=Sin and Sin is offensive to God.


Death may not be a big deal to GOD, (since He can raise from the DEAD as easily as you breathe) but you took something from someone HE gave them and that is where you "Stole" even if it was murder....Make Sense?
 
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Zaac said:
If all sin is not the same, why is the end result of sin the same?

Now as to the blaspheming of the the holy spirit. This is how I have explained it and inevitably somebody tells me that I am wrong. :)

Blaspheming the holy spirit amounts to not trusting in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Those who have been born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit are forgiven of EVERY sin because the blood of Christ has covered them all. There is nothing that person can do to have that taken away (some will also disagree here, but that too, is another discussion). If a Christian could do that which couldn't be forgiven, then he couldn't be a Christian because every person who has placed his trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior will be in God's presence. Those who are stained with unforgiveable sin cannot be.

So how could a Christian blaspheme the Holy Spirit? A Christian cannot. The one sin for which no one can be forgiven is not placing your trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior because if you do not, none of your sins are forgiven.

I have also heard it expalined that humans cannot commit the sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit because we have never actually seen the Spirit, but that angels can and this is the reason why God will forgive our sins but will never forgive the angels who followed Satan.

I don't pretend to know which view is correct, but I do agree that either way Christians cannot commit this sin.
 
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Zaac said:
If all sin is not the same, why is the end result of sin the same?

Now as to the blaspheming of the the holy spirit. This is how I have explained it and inevitably somebody tells me that I am wrong. :)

Blaspheming the holy spirit amounts to not trusting in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Those who have been born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit are forgiven of EVERY sin because the blood of Christ has covered them all. There is nothing that person can do to have that taken away (some will also disagree here, but that too, is another discussion). If a Christian could do that which couldn't be forgiven, then he couldn't be a Christian because every person who has placed his trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior will be in God's presence. Those who are stained with unforgiveable sin cannot be.

So how could a Christian blaspheme the Holy Spirit? A Christian cannot. The one sin for which no one can be forgiven is not placing your trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior because if you do not, none of your sins are forgiven.


The fifth chapter of first John teaches there is a sin unto death and a sin not unto death. Obviously the consequences of all sin is not the same and all sin is not the same. The sin of being unloving is addressed in the entire book of First John so I believe the sin unto death is the sin of being unloving.
 
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