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Is a visual depiction of Jesus good?

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I would say that depicting Jesus as white would alienate other cultures...and I wouldn't depict jesus any way...he was most likely Iraqi-looking...and that's something that we white Americans think as horrid...but it's most likely the way he was. I would suggest that maybe visual depiction of jesus is not the best thing to do...even though as humans we need to see our God...but we can't, so I suggest against it.
 
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If Africans and Asians are alienated by the truth that Jesus was a Middle-Eastern Jew, then that is not the fault of any picture. It is in the Bible.

What if the Biblical truth of Heaven and Hell alientated someone? Should it not be tought? What about teaching about sin? That could alienate sinners. I think the notion is absurd. If someone cannot live with the truth, how can they live with The Truth?
 
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Any depiction of Jesus, regardless of ethnicity, mode of dress, long/short hair, cleanshaven/bearded, is going to fall way short of the reality.

I have seen all kinds, including white, black, Chinese, Jewish. And in all kinds of garb, But mostly they do not help me think of Him at all.

The most beautiful I've seen was a depiction by a Chinese man, so it tended to look like the people he was familiar with and had as models.
It was fairly abstract, and did not look "real" , but rather gave a hint, an expression, an inspiration, rather than a likeness of the flesh.

This, I believe, is probably the way to go when depicting God, if we should do so at all, because He only allows anyone to see a little of Himself until we meet Him face to face in heaven. We cannot bear the complete appearance of God.
Like when Moses was able to see God's back passing by.
Just a hint to inspire and encourage. To sustain us until that glorious Day.

God bless, Susana
 
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John:4:23: But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him.

2Cor.5:16: Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Heb:2:9: But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

People want a picture or a statue or other likeness because they have no "vision", they do not know The Lord Through the Holy Spirit.

1Cor.2:9: But as it is written, Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

:11: For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God.

John 3:7: Marvel not that I said to you, you must be born again.
 
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Devoted to the Lord! said:
Is the visual depiction of Jesus in the Catholic church and other churches etc, a good thing?
I do not see the harm.....

Provided, of course that the depiction does not become an object of worship.

Isn't there a danger of alienating africans, asians etc through having Jesus as being depicted as Jewish/Semitic in looks?
Ummmm.... He WAS/IS Jewish. There can be no denying this. Jesus was born into the Jewish culture in the tribe of Judah of the line of David.
 
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Asar'el said:
Can you think of any reason why the Scripture does not include a physical description of Christ? Is it not sufficient to show that what Jesus looked like was not what His followers should dwell on?

There is one description

Isaiah 53
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
 
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Harry the Heretic said:
There is one description

Isaiah 53
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
I meant a physical description, as I said :) For some in scripture we are given their height, the colour of their hair, the manner of dress, all kind of such things; Christ, otoh, is declared by His character, not His physical appearance; if anything, the quoted text confirms what was already obvious - that Christ did not choose, in His incarnation, a divine comeliness to inspire desire.

I am therefore of the opinion that trying to make (or even imagine!) a visual representation of Christ, or God in any Person, is dangerous, and unprofitable.
 
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Hello :wave: ,

When God came unto the Earth as a man, he must of looked Jewish/ Iraqi.Christ did humble himself. The more improtant thing to know is what Jesus looks right now.

"Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden girdle round His breast; His head and His hair were white as white wool, white as snow; His eyes were like a flame of fire, His feet were like burnished bronze, refined as in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters; in His right hand He held seven stars, from His mouth issued a sharp two-edged sword, and His face was like the sun shining in full strength. When I saw Him, I fell at His feet as though dead. But He laid His right hand upon me, saying, "Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the Living One; I died, and behold I am alive for evermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades." (Revelation 1:12-18 RSV)
Satans wants us to think that Jesus is this small, skinny telletuby. He also wants us to think hes this big, muscular red thing!:D
Jesus called him out in (john 8:44)
 
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Asar'el said:
I meant a physical description, as I said :) For some in scripture we are given their height, the colour of their hair, the manner of dress, all kind of such things; Christ, otoh, is declared by His character, not His physical appearance; if anything, the quoted text confirms what was already obvious - that Christ did not choose, in His incarnation, a divine comeliness to inspire desire.

I am therefore of the opinion that trying to make (or even imagine!) a visual representation of Christ, or God in any Person, is dangerous, and unprofitable.
I agree, that description is sufficient. To want more is to be carnal.

Peace
 
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Devoted to the Lord! said:
Is the visual depiction of Jesus in the Catholic church and other churches etc, a good thing?
Isn't there a danger of alienating africans, asians etc through having Jesus as being depicted as Jewish/Semitic in looks?

Hi there!

:wave:


Christians are worshipping the visual depiction... such as the crucifix or the empty cross... they are worshipping the Savior who suffered for all men, died for all men, and arose again that all mankind might have eternal life.


~serapha~
 
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Is the visual depiction of Jesus in the Catholic church and other churches etc, a good thing?
Isn't there a danger of alienating africans, asians etc through having Jesus as being depicted as Jewish/Semitic in looks?

I dont think it should matter,i personely dont care what color or race jesus was, it dosent change the fact that its still jesus.Its still gods son,and ill follow and serve him know matter what the color or race.And if someone is offended by that.thats just something they and the lord will have to work out because god is the one who choose him to be born a certian race or color we didnt.I love him know matter what and just because he is a certian race or color dosent change what he did for me and why he did it.Anyway thats just my thoughts on the issueGod Bless
 
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Since Jesus is God in the flesh any depiction of Deity would constitute breaking of the 2nd commandment -

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

A picture or statue, etc. would in this case be a "graven image" the "likeness" of Christ.;)


Ray :wave:
 
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What Does Satan Look Like?

"You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, carnelian, topaz, and jasper, chrysolite, beryl, and onyx, sapphire, carbuncle, and emerald; and wrought in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared. With an anointed guardian cherub I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you. In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned; so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God, and the guardian cherub drove you out from the midst of the stones of fire. Your heart was proud because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. I cast you to the ground" (Ezekiel 28:13-17 RSV)



It would be quite natural to assume that a spirit being so grossly evil would also look evil. The popular perceptions of Satan are usually either that of a sinister-looking individual in all-black clothing, or a comic character in a red suit with horns and a pitchfork, but The Bible, as in the above Scriptures, describe Satan with "beauty" and "splendor." Satan appears righteous:
  • "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is not strange if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness." (2 Corinthians 11:13-15 RSV)
There is much written in the Bible about Satan's change of behavior, but nothing about any change in appearance. He is the ultimate evil, and yet he appears attractive and righteous. The references to him as a "snake" or "serpent" refer more to his sneaking, slithering, underhanded personality than his actual visual appearance. Along with the fact that the rugged and ordinary-looking Jesus Christ (Isaiah 53:2-5, see also What Did Jesus Look Like?) looked almost nothing like the pale "pretty boy" who is so often portrayed in Christian art, one of the most startling questions of recent times involves just who it is that's actually portrayed in those images. What very powerful deceiver, and, as the Bible describes him, impersonator, could have easily influenced all of those various artists, over the many centuries, to depict someone who's consistently the same in un-Christ-like appearance?

What Did Jesus Look Like?

Many believe that The Shroud of Turin is the actual burial cloth of Jesus Christ, and that the man seen in the cloth's image (in photograph) is that of The Lord. Apart from (disputed) carbon-dating tests that show it to be only about 600 years old, there is at least one other strong proof that The Savior is not the man in the cloth which is idolized by millions of people.


The Bible makes no specific description of what Jesus Christ looked like, and there are no known images of Him in existence, such as their are, for example, for Roman emperors (e.g. Emperor Nero), or actual "faces from the past" that can be seen with the Egyptian Mummies. There are however some very good indications of what He did, and did not, look like -
  • There was nothing unusual about His appearance

    Throughout the Gospel books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, people made no mention of something different about how He looked. If anything, people wondered how such an ordinary-looking man could be The Savior. John The Baptist would not have known that his cousin was The Savior (their mothers, Mary and Elizabeth were related) unless an angel had told him just before Jesus' baptism at age 30 (John 1:33). The mob that came to arrest Him The Fateful Night could not tell Him apart from Peter or John or any of the others - Judas Iscariot had to actually point Him out (Matthew 26:47-49) (see Why Did He Do It?), and even then Jesus had to identify Himself, twice, to those who demanded Him by Name as He stood right in front of them in the bright light of their torches (John 18:3-9).
  • He had a natural, rugged appearance

    The Lord did hard outside physical labor, with Joseph in Nazareth, until He was about 30 years old. Back then, the building trade involved very strenuous physical labor with heavy stone and lumber, without any sort of power tools or mechanical digging equipment that are in use today. Unlike many religious pictures that portray Jesus as a pale, skinny, effeminate man with long hair and wearing a flowing white or pink robe (all of which may well be far closer to what Satan looks like), Christ could have looked nothing like that. His appearance would definitely have been that of a tanned, muscular, physically-fit young man dressed in durable and practical clothing - which made Him indistinguishable from the "blue-collar" Fishermen who were with Him when He was arrested. The prophet Isaiah confirms His ordinary appearance -

    "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to Him, nothing in His appearance that we should desire Him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces He was despised, and we esteemed Him not. Surely He took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered Him stricken by God, smitten by Him, and afflicted. But He was pierced for our transgressions [see How Did Jesus Christ Die?], He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed." (Isaiah 53:2-5)
  • Jesus Christ did not have long hair

    Hair styles and socially-acceptable length have varied tremendously over the ages, sometimes very short, sometimes very long. Most religious artists portray Christ with long hair. The man in the Shroud of Turin also has long hair. But did Jesus have long hair? The apostle Paul (see On The Road To Damascus) actually saw Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 9:1). Paul, a trustworthy man who wrote a large part of the New Testament, knew exactly what The Lord looked like. In 1 Corinthians 11:14, Paul wrote, "if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him." It's quite unthinkable that Paul would have made such a statement if Jesus Christ had long hair. How could anything about The Lord be called disgraceful?
    from this website: http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/looklike.htm
 
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