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Is a skeptic missing the compassionate part of their being, while only focusing on logic?

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So you see how a skeptic is morally depraved in such manners.

Well, you know, calling me morally depraved isn't much different than the quotes that you find personally hurtful. I do have morals. For the most part, they're based on the Golden Rule. I wouldn't think you'd want to call the Golden Rule "morally depraved".

From your perspective, the Golden Rule comes from God. From my perspective, it's actually a very sound principle, resulting in its use as a religious teaching. Either way, it would be nice if more people followed it seriously.
 
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I have lots of other examples, for example I can prove that hitler's motives were because of evolutionary thought. Survival of the fittest.

Evolution is a fact. The ToE explains how it works. All science, no morals involved.
 
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Well, you know, calling me morally depraved isn't much different than the quotes that you find personally hurtful.
I said "regarding such manners." I didn't say you were, I don't know anything about your views personally, I am talking of the world views of skeptics in general. Abortion is ok for them. And that is a morally depraved standpoint.
I do have morals. For the most part, they're based on the Golden Rule. I wouldn't think you'd want to call the Golden Rule "morally depraved".
how does the golden rule apply to abortion, or hitler's use of the "survival of the fittest" to kill millions of jews.
From your perspective, the Golden Rule comes from God. From my perspective, it's actually a very sound principle, resulting in its use as a religious teaching. Either way, it would be nice if more people followed it seriously.
I just showed how evolution, and abortion are not following the golden rule.
 
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I said "regarding such manners." I didn't say you were, I don't know anything about your views personally, I am talking of the world views of skeptics in general. Abortion is ok for them. And that is a morally depraved standpoint.
how does the golden rule apply to abortion, or hitler's use of the "survival of the fittest" to kill millions of jews.

I just showed how evolution, and abortion are not following the golden rule.

Evolution is descriptive not prescriptive, it's no more not following the golden rule then gravity is. Hitler followed nothing of the sort, he was following his belief he was working in gods name. Evolution is a fact of reality how it's used has nothing to do with it any more then you could blame Christianity for hitlers actions.
 
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Evolution is descriptive not prescriptive, it's no more not following the golden rule then gravity is. Hitler followed nothing of the sort, he was following his belief he was working in gods name. Evolution is a fact of reality how it's used has nothing to do with it any more then you could blame Christianity for hitlers actions.
that short recieved hollywoods best short award of the year, but
if you don't like that source as from discovery institute, here is another source from history department at california state stanislaus:
http://www.csustan.edu/sites/defaul.../Weikart/Darwinism-in-Nazi-Racial-Thought.pdf
 
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that short recieved hollywoods best short award of the year, but
if you don't like that source as from discovery institute, here is another source from history department at california state stanislaus:
http://www.csustan.edu/sites/defaul.../Weikart/Darwinism-in-Nazi-Racial-Thought.pdf

I question that, but like I said, he used Christianity and said he was doing gods work, the buckles said, "god with us."so I guess that disproves Christianity...dangit, or the truth of something has NOTHING to do with how people use it. Evolution is 100% a undeniable fact, it's reality, so ad homining it is stupid. Survival of the fittest, was a term used to mock evolution, and man made ideas on what is perfection or the best goes counter to how evolution works on the real world. Evolution says nothing about the different races, or any being superior.

Oh and before you say your next response, it was closer to breed or sub species back then.
 
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I question that, but like I said, he used Christianity and said he was doing gods work, the buckles said, "god with us."so I guess that disproves Christianity...dangit, or the truth of something has NOTHING to do with how people use it. Evolution is 100% a undeniable fact, it's reality, so ad homining it is stupid. Survival of the fittest, was a term used to mock evolution, and man made ideas on what is perfection or the best goes counter to how evolution works on the real world. Evolution says nothing about the different races, or any being superior.

Oh and before you say your next response, it was closer to breed or sub species back then.
No no no, one can believe in Jesus existence and not be saved. James chaper twould says faith w/o works is dead. So that is no indication on Christ. However there are quotes that Darwinism himself got endorsement from Nazi germany. So that is a nice fact to prove my case that survival of the fittest in its origin was racist & evil and can be so today as well. That is the person that coined the term. So He gets to define it. Not modern science. That's how entymology works. The first usage is an important definition to take into consideration
 
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No no no, one can believe in Jesus existence and not be saved. James chaper twould says faith w/o works is dead. So that is no indication on Christ. However there are quotes that Darwinism himself got endorsement from Nazi germany. So that is a nice fact to prove my case that survival of the fittest in its origin was racist & evil and can be so today as well. That is the person that coined the term. So He gets to define it. Not modern science. That's how entymology works. The first usage is an important definition to take into consideration

You dont understand even the basics of ToE.

Nor do you understand the quote ”survival of the fittest” as used by Darwin.

And you certainly dont understand the motivations of Hitler (or Nazis in general).
 
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No no no, one can believe in Jesus existence and not be saved. James chaper twould says faith w/o works is dead. So that is no indication on Christ. However there are quotes that Darwinism himself got endorsement from Nazi germany. So that is a nice fact to prove my case that survival of the fittest in its origin was racist & evil and can be so today as well. That is the person that coined the term. So He gets to define it. Not modern science. That's how entymology works. The first usage is an important definition to take into consideration

yeah except he didn't say that again, that was herbert spencer another guy. Darwin used the term natural selection. Also ad hominem again, and irelevant, how people use something, or believe something to mean is meaningless to the fact of something. Evolution is reality so anything you say against it is meaningless. Evolution by means of natural selection is the foundation of all modern biology and a fact. some crackpot using something that is descriptive as prescriptive means nothing. Science is science, and reality is reality. Evolution says nothing about how we should act or do,
 
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yeah except he didn't say that again, that was herbert spencer another guy. Darwin used the term natural selection.
“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state as we may hope, than the Caucasian and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.”

Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

Also ad hominem again, and irelevant, how people use something, or believe something to mean is meaningless to the fact of something.
the term survival of the fittest was coined by darwin, and darwin who was an avid racist, used that to promote annihilation of inferior races, this is well documented I will post that in my next post (I already gave two sources, which you didn't watch or read, so I will provide a third).

Evolution by means of natural selection is the foundation of all modern biology and a fact. some crackpot using something that is descriptive as prescriptive means nothing. Science is science, and reality is reality. Evolution says nothing about how we should act or do,
natural selection is fine, it's just that natural selection does not produce new genra of animals (new types of animals), they may cross species bariers yes, but not genus barriers. Taxonomist linneas split up genra by defining which animals could naturally mate, and which species could naturally mate with other species, and these were "genus's" The Bible calls this "type" of classification "kinds" of animals. And there is no evidence one kind can (via natural selection) turn into another animal.
Evolution is reality so anything you say against it is meaningless.
except the small thing called evidence is missing. Micro evolution is proven via many peer reviews, there is not a single peer review on monkey to man evolution (macro evolution), that provides observation of said macro evolution.
 
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yeah except he didn't say that again, that was herbert spencer another guy. Darwin used the term natural selection. Also ad hominem again, and irelevant, how people use something, or believe something to mean is meaningless to the fact of something. Evolution is reality so anything you say against it is meaningless. Evolution by means of natural selection is the foundation of all modern biology and a fact. some crackpot using something that is descriptive as prescriptive means nothing. Science is science, and reality is reality. Evolution says nothing about how we should act or do,
here is part two it's sort of long, but shows other sources other than darwin, like the original followers of darwinism, (his right hand man), and how they viewed racism via natural selection:

"Only the fittest should survive."

"He [Haeckel] convinced masses of his countrymen they must accept their evolutionary destiny as a ‘master race’ and ‘outcompete’ inferior peoples, since it was right and natural that only the ‘fittest’ should survive. His version of Darwinism was incorporated in Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf (1925), which means ‘My Struggle,’ taken from Haeckel’s German translation of Darwin’s phrase, ‘the struggle for existence.’ "—*R. Milner, Encyclopedia of Evolution (1990), p. 207 [also 312-313].

"In 1918, Darwin’s apostle Ernst Haeckel became a member of the Thule Gesellschaft, a secret, radically right-wing organization that played a key role in the establishment of the Nazi movement. Rudolf Hess and Hitler attended the meeting as guests (Phelps, 1963)."—Ian Taylor, In the Minds of Men (1987), p. 488.

"Friedrich Engels, one of the founders of Communism, wrote to Karl Marx, December 12, 1859, ‘Darwin, whom I am just now reading, is splendid.’ "—*C. Zirkle, Evolution, Marxian Biology, and the Social Scene (1959), p. 85.

"Karl Marx wrote to Friedrich Engels, December 19, 1860, ‘Although it is developed in the crude English style, this is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our views.’ "—*C. Zirkle, Evolution, Marxian Biology, and the Social Scene (1959), p. 88.

"Ernst Haeckel (1834-1919) was an avid, self-appointed spokesman for Darwinism in Germany . . Haeckel professed a mystical belief in the forces of nature and a literal transfer of the laws of biology to the social realm. The movement he founded in Germany was proto-Nazi in character; romantic Volkism and theMonist League (established 1906), along with evolution and science, laid the ideological foundations of [German] National Socialism.

" . . English Darwinism interlinked two main themes, natural selection and the struggle for existence. SocialDarwinism is an attempt to explain human society in terms of evolution, but Haeckel’s [proto-Nazi] interpretation was quite different from that of capitalist Herbert Spencer or of communist Marx. For him a major component was the ethic of inherent struggle between higher and lower cultures,—between races of men."—*Michael Pitman, Adam and Evolution (1984), p. 48.

"Again, Marx wrote to Engels, January 16, 1861, ‘Darwin’s book is very important and serves me as a basis in natural selection for the class struggle in history . . not only is a death blow dealt here for the first time to ‘teleology’ in the natural sciences but their rational meaning is emphatically explained.’ "—*C. Zirkle, Evolution, Marxian Biology, and the Social Scene (1959), p. 88.

"In turn, biological evolutionism exerted ever-widening influences on the natural and social sciences, and its repercussions were neither sound or commendable. Suffice it to mention the so-called Social Darwinism, which often sought to justify the inhumanity of man to man, and the biological racism which furnished a fraudulent scientific sanction for the atrocities committed in Hitler’s Germany and elsewhere."—*Theodosius Dobzhansky, "Evolution at Work," Science, Vol. 127, May 9, 1958, p. 1091.

"Along with his social Darwinist followers, [Haeckel] set about to demonstrate the ‘aristocratic’ and nondemocratic aspect of the laws of nature . . Up to his death in 1919, Haeckel contributed to that special variety of German thought which served as the seed-bed for National Socialism. He became one of Germany’s main ideologists for racism, nationalism, and imperialism."—*Daniel Gasman, Scientific Origins of National Socialism: Social Darwinism in Ernst Haeckel and the German Monist League (1971), p. xvi.

"The first point is that selfishness and violence are inherent in us, inherited from our remotest animal ancestors . . Violence is, then, natural to man, a product of evolution."—*P.J. Darlington, Evolution for Naturalists (1980), pp. 243-244.

"Darwinism helped to further brutalize mankind through providing scientific sanction for bloodthirsty and selfish desires."—*Robert T. Clark and James D. Bales, Why Scientists Accept Evolution (1966), p. 64.

"The law of evolution, as formulated by Darwin, provides an explanation of war between nations, the only reasonable explanation known to us."—*Arthur Keith, Evolution and Ethics (1947), p. 149.

"Darwinism consistently applied would measure goodness in terms of survival value. This is the law of the jungle where ‘might is right’ and the fittest survive. Whether cunning or cruelty, cowardice or deceit, whatever will enable the individual to survive is good and right for that individual or that society."—H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1968), p. 145.

"The idea that evolution is a history of competitive strife fits well with his [Marx’s] ideology of ‘class struggle.’ "—*R. Milner, Encyclopedia of Evolution (1990), p. 412.

" ‘This is the book,’ he [Marx] wrote to his disciple Engles in 1866, ‘which contains the basis in natural history for our view,’ and he would gladly have dedicated his own major work, Das Kapital, to the author ofThe Origin of Species if Darwin had let him.

"At Marx’s funeral Engels declaimed that, as Darwin had discovered the law of organic evolution in natural history, so Marx had discovered the law of evolution in human history. With its denigration of non-material aspects of human life, and its mission to uproot tradition and destroy creationist concepts in men’s minds, communism remains one of Darwin’s strongest adherents . . After 1949 when the communists took control of China, the first new text introduced to all schools was neither Marxist nor Leninist, but Darwinian."—*Michael Pitman, Adam and Evolution (1984), p. 24.

"Like Darwin, Marx thought he had discovered the law of development. He saw history in stages, as the Darwinists saw geological strata and successive forms of life . . But there are even finer points of comparison. In keeping with the feelings of the age, both Marx and Darwin made struggle the means of development. Again, the measure of value in Darwin is survival with reproduction—an absolute fact occurring in time and which wholly disregards the moral or ethical quality of the product. In Marx the measure of value is expended labor—an absolute fact occurring in time, which also disregards the utility of the product [and also the workman]."—*J. Barzun, Darwin, Marx, Wagner (1958), p. 8.

(many more where that came from)
Above quotes from:


http://www.evolution-facts.org/Evolution-handbook/E-H-19.htm
 
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You dont understand even the basics of ToE.

Nor do you understand the quote ”survival of the fittest” as used by Darwin.

And you certainly dont understand the motivations of Hitler (or Nazis in general).
I hope I addressed all of this with citations in my last few posts, please check them out. Thanks for the post.
 
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“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state as we may hope, than the Caucasian and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.”

Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

the term survival of the fittest was coined by darwin, and darwin who was an avid racist, used that to promote annihilation of inferior races, this is well documented I will post that in my next post (I already gave two sources, which you didn't watch or read, so I will provide a third).

natural selection is fine, it's just that natural selection does not produce new genra of animals (new types of animals), they may cross species bariers yes, but not genus barriers. Taxonomist linneas split up genra by defining which animals could naturally mate, and which species could naturally mate with other species, and these were "genus's" The Bible calls this "type" of classification "kinds" of animals. And there is no evidence one kind can (via natural selection) turn into another animal.
except the small thing called evidence is missing. Micro evolution is proven via many peer reviews, there is not a single peer review on monkey to man evolution (macro evolution), that provides observation of said macro evolution.

You do realize he was LAMENTING them being gone, and yes he had some racist inclimations, so did most people at the time, he was rather progressive for his time. Heck martin luther king was a racist, does that disprove protestantism.

all yes these magickal barriers that some how prevent change over time, yet all the evidence points towards it, your using PRATTs that have long ago been debunked, and means I can completly ignore all of them. Kinds has no meaning, it's what ever creationists will call them, and taxonomy has been backed by DNA with 99% accuracy, there were some mistakes like african and north american vultures not being related, but thats small things. There is nothing that stops species from evolving over time into something completly different, your ignoring all the evidence like how feathered dinosaurs were discovered...they just randomly happened to have the feature that would fit evolution what a conicidence.
 
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here is part two it's sort of long, but shows other sources other than darwin, like the original followers of darwinism, (his right hand man), and how they viewed racism via natural selection:

"Only the fittest should survive."

"He [Haeckel] convinced masses of his countrymen they must accept their evolutionary destiny as a ‘master race’ and ‘outcompete’ inferior peoples, since it was right and natural that only the ‘fittest’ should survive. His version of Darwinism was incorporated in Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf (1925), which means ‘My Struggle,’ taken from Haeckel’s German translation of Darwin’s phrase, ‘the struggle for existence.’ "—*R. Milner, Encyclopedia of Evolution (1990), p. 207 [also 312-313].

"In 1918, Darwin’s apostle Ernst Haeckel became a member of the Thule Gesellschaft, a secret, radically right-wing organization that played a key role in the establishment of the Nazi movement. Rudolf Hess and Hitler attended the meeting as guests (Phelps, 1963)."—Ian Taylor, In the Minds of Men (1987), p. 488.

"Friedrich Engels, one of the founders of Communism, wrote to Karl Marx, December 12, 1859, ‘Darwin, whom I am just now reading, is splendid.’ "—*C. Zirkle, Evolution, Marxian Biology, and the Social Scene (1959), p. 85.

"Karl Marx wrote to Friedrich Engels, December 19, 1860, ‘Although it is developed in the crude English style, this is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our views.’ "—*C. Zirkle, Evolution, Marxian Biology, and the Social Scene (1959), p. 88.

"Ernst Haeckel (1834-1919) was an avid, self-appointed spokesman for Darwinism in Germany . . Haeckel professed a mystical belief in the forces of nature and a literal transfer of the laws of biology to the social realm. The movement he founded in Germany was proto-Nazi in character; romantic Volkism and theMonist League (established 1906), along with evolution and science, laid the ideological foundations of [German] National Socialism.

" . . English Darwinism interlinked two main themes, natural selection and the struggle for existence. SocialDarwinism is an attempt to explain human society in terms of evolution, but Haeckel’s [proto-Nazi] interpretation was quite different from that of capitalist Herbert Spencer or of communist Marx. For him a major component was the ethic of inherent struggle between higher and lower cultures,—between races of men."—*Michael Pitman, Adam and Evolution (1984), p. 48.

"Again, Marx wrote to Engels, January 16, 1861, ‘Darwin’s book is very important and serves me as a basis in natural selection for the class struggle in history . . not only is a death blow dealt here for the first time to ‘teleology’ in the natural sciences but their rational meaning is emphatically explained.’ "—*C. Zirkle, Evolution, Marxian Biology, and the Social Scene (1959), p. 88.

"In turn, biological evolutionism exerted ever-widening influences on the natural and social sciences, and its repercussions were neither sound or commendable. Suffice it to mention the so-called Social Darwinism, which often sought to justify the inhumanity of man to man, and the biological racism which furnished a fraudulent scientific sanction for the atrocities committed in Hitler’s Germany and elsewhere."—*Theodosius Dobzhansky, "Evolution at Work," Science, Vol. 127, May 9, 1958, p. 1091.

"Along with his social Darwinist followers, [Haeckel] set about to demonstrate the ‘aristocratic’ and nondemocratic aspect of the laws of nature . . Up to his death in 1919, Haeckel contributed to that special variety of German thought which served as the seed-bed for National Socialism. He became one of Germany’s main ideologists for racism, nationalism, and imperialism."—*Daniel Gasman, Scientific Origins of National Socialism: Social Darwinism in Ernst Haeckel and the German Monist League (1971), p. xvi.

"The first point is that selfishness and violence are inherent in us, inherited from our remotest animal ancestors . . Violence is, then, natural to man, a product of evolution."—*P.J. Darlington, Evolution for Naturalists (1980), pp. 243-244.

"Darwinism helped to further brutalize mankind through providing scientific sanction for bloodthirsty and selfish desires."—*Robert T. Clark and James D. Bales, Why Scientists Accept Evolution (1966), p. 64.

"The law of evolution, as formulated by Darwin, provides an explanation of war between nations, the only reasonable explanation known to us."—*Arthur Keith, Evolution and Ethics (1947), p. 149.

"Darwinism consistently applied would measure goodness in terms of survival value. This is the law of the jungle where ‘might is right’ and the fittest survive. Whether cunning or cruelty, cowardice or deceit, whatever will enable the individual to survive is good and right for that individual or that society."—H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1968), p. 145.

"The idea that evolution is a history of competitive strife fits well with his [Marx’s] ideology of ‘class struggle.’ "—*R. Milner, Encyclopedia of Evolution (1990), p. 412.

" ‘This is the book,’ he [Marx] wrote to his disciple Engles in 1866, ‘which contains the basis in natural history for our view,’ and he would gladly have dedicated his own major work, Das Kapital, to the author ofThe Origin of Species if Darwin had let him.

"At Marx’s funeral Engels declaimed that, as Darwin had discovered the law of organic evolution in natural history, so Marx had discovered the law of evolution in human history. With its denigration of non-material aspects of human life, and its mission to uproot tradition and destroy creationist concepts in men’s minds, communism remains one of Darwin’s strongest adherents . . After 1949 when the communists took control of China, the first new text introduced to all schools was neither Marxist nor Leninist, but Darwinian."—*Michael Pitman, Adam and Evolution (1984), p. 24.

"Like Darwin, Marx thought he had discovered the law of development. He saw history in stages, as the Darwinists saw geological strata and successive forms of life . . But there are even finer points of comparison. In keeping with the feelings of the age, both Marx and Darwin made struggle the means of development. Again, the measure of value in Darwin is survival with reproduction—an absolute fact occurring in time and which wholly disregards the moral or ethical quality of the product. In Marx the measure of value is expended labor—an absolute fact occurring in time, which also disregards the utility of the product [and also the workman]."—*J. Barzun, Darwin, Marx, Wagner (1958), p. 8.

(many more where that came from)
Above quotes from:


http://www.evolution-facts.org/Evolution-handbook/E-H-19.htm

sing it with me everyone, "Ad Hominem Ad hominem, completly meaningless arguments" you mind actually making a point here? Charles darwin and everyone that accepts evolution could turn into mass murdering rapists, and it wouldn't change wether or not evolution happened. Not a singlke thing you've shown here has any meaning nice try though, right out of the creationists handbook of poisoning the well with ad hominem attacks. Guess what evolution shows that no race is more evolved then another heck, it shows they don't even really exist beyond constructs. But keep showing your lack of knowledge on the subject, and tell me again how racists, and racism disproves evolution. The reality of a science has nothing to do with the aplication or way that people act upon it, no more then again that Christianity is false because of racists and such.
 
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You do realize he was LAMENTING them being gone, and yes he had some racist inclimations, so did most people at the time, he was rather progressive for his time. Heck martin luther king was a racist, does that disprove protestantism.
sir all I was saying is that some views of skeptics are not loving, or follow the golden rule. Skeptics are typically humanistic, naturalistic and accept evolution. I provided information that the golden rule of evolution "the survival of the fittest" was blanketed with racism and murder.

all yes these magickal barriers that some how prevent change over time, yet all the evidence points towards it, your using PRATTs that have long ago been debunked, and means I can completly ignore all of them.
I don't even know what a pratt is, and I don't feel the inclination to look it up, but I feel it proves the OP in that skeptics are into name calling and flaming, am I right? Should I look it up?

Kinds has no meaning, it's what ever creationists will call them, and taxonomy has been backed by DNA with 99% accuracy, there were some mistakes like african and north american vultures not being related, but thats small things.
again sir, there is no evidence that two animals (which do not naturally mate and thus are different animal kinds), can evolve into one another. What we find evidence for is spots on flies, (which are still flies), or variation of a species or multiple species, but not to the point they become a new 'type' of animal. That is why taxonomy placed the barrier at genus, and the differing kinds of animals at genus.

"The FROG-FISH, or the metamorphosis is very paradoxical, as Nature would not admit the change of one Genus into another one of a different Class. Rana, as all amphibians, possesses lungs and spiny bones. Spiny fishes are provided with gills instead of lungs. Therefore this change would be contrary to nature's law. For if this fish is provided with gills, it will be different from Rana and the amphibians; if with lungs, it will be a Lizard, for there is all the world of difference between them and Chondropterygii and Plagiuri. "

Carl Linnaeus work systema naturae 1735 (translated from latin to english)
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https://www.kth.se/polopoly_fs/1.19...umn-content/attachment/Linnaeus--extracts.pdf

There is nothing that stops species from evolving over time into something completly different
I am not saying nothing stops it, I am saying there is no observation that it occurred. Possibility does not imply Plausibility.
, your ignoring all the evidence like how feathered dinosaurs were discovered...they just randomly happened to have the feature that would fit evolution what a conicidence.
again their is no observable data sets that prove dinosaurs became birds, or birds became dinosaurs. I mean are their photographs of transitionary forms, that have a proven link to two different types of animals, thus proving a transitionary form? Are their videos of this process? Can this process be duplicated in a laboratory under a microscope? No sir, it cannot.
 
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sing it with me everyone, "Ad Hominem Ad hominem, completly meaningless arguments" you mind actually making a point here? Charles darwin and everyone that accepts evolution could turn into mass murdering rapists, and it wouldn't change wether or not evolution happened. Not a singlke thing you've shown here has any meaning nice try though, right out of the creationists handbook of poisoning the well with ad hominem attacks. Guess what evolution shows that no race is more evolved then another heck, it shows they don't even really exist beyond constructs. But keep showing your lack of knowledge on the subject, and tell me again how racists, and racism disproves evolution. The reality of a science has nothing to do with the aplication or way that people act upon it, no more then again that Christianity is false because of racists and such.
sir just because someone disagrees with your fundamental life view, does not mean they are committing ad hominems. I am a christian, does that mean an atheist commits adhominems, simply because He disagrees? No it does not, one needs evidence of said allegations. But accusing me, without evidence does not remove the fact that basic tenants of darwinism were racist and evil.
 
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sir all I was saying is that some views of skeptics are not loving, or follow the golden rule. Skeptics are typically humanistic, naturalistic and accept evolution. I provided information that the golden rule of evolution "the survival of the fittest" was blanketed with racism and murder.

I don't even know what a pratt is, and I don't feel the inclination to look it up, but I feel it proves the OP in that skeptics are into name calling and flaming, am I right? Should I look it up?

again sir, there is no evidence that two animals (which do not naturally mate and thus are different animal kinds), can evolve into one another. What we find evidence for is spots on flies, (which are still flies), or variation of a species or multiple species, but not to the point they become a new 'type' of animal. That is why taxonomy placed the barrier at genus, and the differing kinds of animals at genus.

"The FROG-FISH, or the metamorphosis is very paradoxical, as Nature would not admit the change of one Genus into another one of a different Class. Rana, as all amphibians, possesses lungs and spiny bones. Spiny fishes are provided with gills instead of lungs. Therefore this change would be contrary to nature's law. For if this fish is provided with gills, it will be different from Rana and the amphibians; if with lungs, it will be a Lizard, for there is all the world of difference between them and Chondropterygii and Plagiuri. "

Carl Linnaeus work systema naturae 1735 (translated from latin to english)
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I am not saying nothing stops it, I am saying there is no observation that it occurred. Possibility does not imply Plausibility.

again their is no observable data sets that prove dinosaurs became birds, or birds became dinosaurs. I mean are their photographs of transitionary forms, that have a proven link to two different types of animals, thus proving a transitionary form? Are their videos of this process? Can this process be duplicated in a laboratory under a microscope? No sir, it cannot.

pratt is points refuted a thousand times, and excuse you me, your the one trying to insinuate that acceptance of evolution leads to racism, whose being rude and offensive now?
 
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sir all I was saying is that some views of skeptics are not loving, or follow the golden rule. Skeptics are typically humanistic, naturalistic and accept evolution. I provided information that the golden rule of evolution "the survival of the fittest" was blanketed with racism and murder.

I don't even know what a pratt is, and I don't feel the inclination to look it up, but I feel it proves the OP in that skeptics are into name calling and flaming, am I right? Should I look it up?

again sir, there is no evidence that two animals (which do not naturally mate and thus are different animal kinds), can evolve into one another. What we find evidence for is spots on flies, (which are still flies), or variation of a species or multiple species, but not to the point they become a new 'type' of animal. That is why taxonomy placed the barrier at genus, and the differing kinds of animals at genus.

"The FROG-FISH, or the metamorphosis is very paradoxical, as Nature would not admit the change of one Genus into another one of a different Class. Rana, as all amphibians, possesses lungs and spiny bones. Spiny fishes are provided with gills instead of lungs. Therefore this change would be contrary to nature's law. For if this fish is provided with gills, it will be different from Rana and the amphibians; if with lungs, it will be a Lizard, for there is all the world of difference between them and Chondropterygii and Plagiuri. "

Carl Linnaeus work systema naturae 1735 (translated from latin to english)
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https://www.kth.se/polopoly_fs/1.19...umn-content/attachment/Linnaeus--extracts.pdf


I am not saying nothing stops it, I am saying there is no observation that it occurred. Possibility does not imply Plausibility.

again their is no observable data sets that prove dinosaurs became birds, or birds became dinosaurs. I mean are their photographs of transitionary forms, that have a proven link to two different types of animals, thus proving a transitionary form? Are their videos of this process? Can this process be duplicated in a laboratory under a microscope? No sir, it cannot.

you really quoting someone before evolution came about and explained how that could have happened as evidence against it? Please try harder.

No evidence, just the dozens of feathered dinosaurs that we've found, the coligen *I think that was it* found in the t-rex bones that are simular to modern dinosaur coligen, had formations in the bones that could be calcium depoists like a bird does when about to lay eggs. Oh yeah, there is also that preserved feathered dinosaur tail we discovered a few years ago pretty amazing I would say.

funny how all this non existant evidence lines up with what was predicted before hand. Need we go on? How about the fact that dolphins have genes for air smell and whales with hind limbs.
 
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sir just because someone disagrees with your fundamental life view, does not mean they are committing ad hominems. I am a christian, does that mean an atheist commits adhominems, simply because He disagrees? No it does not, one needs evidence of said allegations. But accusing me, without evidence does not remove the fact that basic tenants of darwinism were racist and evil.

A ad hominem is where you use a insult or a attack in the place of a argument. Your implying evolution is false because racists have used it, thats a fallacy. An attack on christianity of the same way would be to imply that Christianity was false because martin luther was a racist, or that hitler believed he was doing gods work.

Again racism or not doesn't disprove evolution, it's just ad hominem with a touch of poisoning the well and possibly a red herring fallacy, I will no longer respond to them as they have no berring on evolution being truth or not.
 
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