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Note the profound difference from what you're saying. You hold salvation is of ourselves, by merit and through our belief in Christ. That is not scriptural. We are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves, it is a gift.
The divided and compound sense addresses the issue. Figure it out.
The jailer's experience is clear.
He was saved by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Nothing to figure out.
Then you admit you believe you saved yourself by your belief in Christ and that you merited that salvation. Wow, what an admission. It isn't biblical but it's your prerogative to believe as you want.
You should read about the divided and compound senses, but I doubt it would make any difference.
I was saved in the same way as the jailer was saved.
By believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.
No senses involved.
Right, and the way you interpret the jailer incident is that he merited salvation the second he believed in Christ. He earned that salvation, just like you. Wow, that is something but not scriptural. The divided and compound senses expose that as anathema, ya know.
....he would be guilty of meriting and earning salvation....
Wow, you really are going way out. "He would be guilty of meriting and earning salvation." Now by your standard, we earn and merit our salvation and it makes us guilty too. If anyone needed to read about the dividend and compound senses that would be you. Couldn't hurt.
It's readily apparent that you believe that the jailer's salvation was illegitimate, because he committed the egregious sin of believing.
Oh, I believe he was saved before the foundations of the world, by election, which is a gift that cannot be earned. He was saved before he believed, long before he was born, and his election gave him the ability to truly believe when God sent him the gospel through the apostles.
You apparently believe he earned his salvation and deserved it because he believed by his own volition, which is unscriptural, but certainly your prerogative to believe. If anyone needed to read about the dividend and compound senses that would be you. Couldn't hurt.
And you believe that Paul and Silas were culpable as well, because they admonished the jailer to believe.
I do believe I stated what I believe. I believe the jailer was saved before the foundations of the world, by election, which is a gift that cannot be earned. He was saved before he believed, long before he was born, and his election gave him the ability to truly believe when God sent him the gospel through the apostles.
You apparently believe he earned his salvation and deserved it because he believed by his own volition, which is unscriptural, but certainly your prerogative to believe. If anyone needed to read about the dividend and compound senses that would be you. Couldn't hurt.
He was saved, but didn't know it. The Holy Spirit, who should have informed him (Romans 8:16), failed to do so.
Paul and Silas, men of great discernment, didn't know it. They caused him to sin by admonishing him to believe.
You believe thus.
I presume that you've redacted all references to salvific faith/belief from your Bible.
Reduction ad absurdum.
The word "Pharasitical" does not exist.Actually, you've fallen into the Pharasitical trap of righteousness by works. You apparently believe the jailer earned his salvation and deserved it because he believed by his own volition, which is unscriptural, but certainly your prerogative to believe. If anyone needed to read about the dividend and compound senses that would be you. Couldn't hurt.
100% agreement.there is no such distinction.
24But to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not learned what some call the deep things of Satan, to you I say, I do not lay on you any other burden. 25Only hold fast what you have until I come. Did Jesus keep this promise to those in the church in Thyatira?But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (Revelation 2:25-27)
Just like the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are the same, the throne of God and the Lamb are same throne. Revelation 22:1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. (Revelation 3:21)
The kingdom of heaven is manifested through the people of God, but it is not of this world. what do you think the kingdom of heaven/God are?The condition in Matthew 13:30a conforms with all of the Revelation prior to Christ’s return in Revelation 19, especially the power given to the beast from the sea to make war with the saints (Revelation 13:7). Your proponent's argument that Matthew 13:40-43 supports amillennialism is as fallacious as your perception of “the kingdom of heaven.”
That is not Jesus coming in the glory of the Father with His angels and His reward with Him. He doesn't say "see a vision of Me"As to Matthew 16:27-28, it was John who saw the kingdom in a vision when given the Revelation to write down.
Yep. Calvinists think man has no responsibility and has to do nothing to be saved. Paul and Silas clearly believed otherwise. If they were Calvinists they would have answered "Nothing. God will save you if He wants to. Just wait and see if He does or not. Good luck." in answer to the jailer's question of what he had to do to be saved.Give any response you wish.
Nothing to figure out.
Believing will save you.
The jailer and his household experienced and demonstrated it.
No senses involved.
Why didn't you quote verse 9 as well which gives the context of what "not of ourselves" means?By grace are we saved through faith; and not of ourselves: it is the gift of God.
James wrote the devils also believe in the one God and tremble.
And the rich man in Matthew 19 also believed in the one God but he wasn't saved.
That's because salvation is a gift and not of ourselves.
The divided and compound sense addresses the issue. Figure it out.
No, not the kind of work that Paul is talking about in Ephesians 2:8-9 when he said salvation is not of works. Notice that Paul differentiated between faith and works there just like James did in James 2. So, the faith that is required for salvation is not a work in the sense that Paul and James wrote about.I don’t really want to get involved in this debate but isn’t believing a work according to John 6:28-29?
Ok, thanks for that explanation. Can you give me your view on Romans 9:11-13? If we are saved by our work of believing why was Jacob loved and Esau hated before they did any work?No, not the kind of work that Paul is talking about in Ephesians 2:8-9 when he said salvation is not of works. Notice that Paul differentiated between faith and works there just like James did in James 2. So, the faith that is required for salvation is not a work in the sense that Paul and James wrote about.
John 6:27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.” 28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” 29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
In the passage above Jesus does talk about work being required by God to obtain eternal life and then He said the work that is required by God is "to believe in the One He has sent". But, again, this is not the type of work that Paul references in Ephesians 2:9 or that James references in James 2. It's work only in the sense that it is something that someone needs to do as God requires, but it's not some physical act/work that people need to do in order to be saved.
Scripture doesn't teach that we don't have to do anything to be saved (otherwise, Acts 16:30-31 would make no sense), it teaches that we don't have to do any physical acts or works of any kind like giving shelter to the homeless, helping an old lady cross the street or sacrificing our lives (only Jesus could do that) in order to be saved.
Sure. That's a very misunderstood passage. It's not as difficult to understand as some might think. But, you have to look closely at the context and you have to look at the OT scripture which it's quoting to understand what it means.Ok, thanks for that explanation. Can you give me your view on Romans 9:11-13? If we are saved by our work of believing why was Jacob loved and Esau hated before they did any work?
I know some people say this is Gods foreknowledge but it wouldn’t make sense to question if God was unrighteous to have foreknowledge in Romans 9:14.
I’m not trying to debate this, I just want to see how this fits with your view.
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