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I know what's been written about it. And now you do too. And I've said more than once that there is a lot of information missing. Information that one would need to make an informed comment. It appears that there is prima facie evidence for a claim. But yet again, there is way too much information missing to make a reasonable case for or against compensation. So if you want me to argue the families' case then it ain't going to happen. You don't need me to make any political point you feel is relevant. If you do then you may then find someone who is actually looking for an argument.
What do you think? The Wall Street Journal says the Biden administration is considering $450,000 each. What about victims, those raped, children who have been trafficked, those who have died from drugs due to border policies?
WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. in Talks to Pay Hundreds of Millions to Families Separated at Border
What do you think? The Wall Street Journal says the Biden administration is considering $450,000 each. What about victims, those raped, children who have been trafficked, those who have died from drugs due to border policies?
WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. in Talks to Pay Hundreds of Millions to Families Separated at Border
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That should be the offer. The very moment Biden made clear that children would not be sent back to their home nations....the same illegals began chucking their children helplessly over the border. You can watch this on camera...
Those two Ecuadorian children are amongst 10s of thousands just like them since the Biden administration began its policies .
Biden Will Not Expel Unaccompanied Immigrant Children At The Border
If Biden's policies led to the separation of so many children, why are we paying for the very few it happened to because of Trump's policies?
It seems to me that you've expressed that the situation was immorally implemented, but when pressed to explain why you became evasive and in the process basically put me down for questioning what you were saying.
The Obama/Biden administration separated children as well when the adult was arrested the children were not placed in an adult prison. That is the way it is today under the Joe Biden regime, when adults are arrested for crimes and put in jail the children are separated. Should each individual get $450,000? Should it be only those who were separated while President Trump was in office. With many illegals only making $4000 a year in their home countries the border will be swamped with hopes of wealth beyond dreams. It's the taxpayer's money, should all criminals be paid for not committing crimes, or crimes, or both? Should we continue to bail out criminals, defund the police, while providing taxpayer money for security for the elite politicians? How much should the huge amount of women who have been raped because Joe told them to come here should get compensation, and don't you think Joe and his party should pay for it? Same goes for the children who are being trafficked, Joe gives them rides to be with adults without bothering to verify they are even relatives? What is a party willing to do for more votes?
Exactly.Yeah this makes sense to me, how are things any different now pertaining to parents being arrested in general? If me and my wife are arrested my children go to a foster home. So why would that be any different for illegal immigrants?
Yet again...all I know is what I have read about the matter (one example which I linked and presumably you have read) and there certainly seems to be a prima facie case against the government. Or at least the previous incumbents. But I will not be drawn into an argument about the merits of any particular case because, and read this a couple of times if necessary, there is scant information on the actual details of any case being brought.
Yet again...feel free to present any argument for or against what you perceive to be the situation. I'm sure someone might be interested.
These children were not just separated. Poor records have delayed or prevented reunification with their parents. This is not equal to to incarcerated parents whose children are placed with other family members or foster care.There's probably not a single situation most anywhere around the world, where children aren't separated from incarcerated parents and put in a shelter. If there is a precedent where such hasn't been the case, I haven't seen it.
Yet again...all I know is what I have read about the matter (one example which I linked and presumably you have read) and there certainly seems to be a prima facie case against the government. Or at least the previous incumbents. But I will not be drawn into an argument about the merits of any particular case because, and read this a couple of times if necessary, there is scant information on the actual details of any case being brought.
Yet again...feel free to present any argument for or against what you perceive to be the situation. I'm sure someone might be interested.
I think you need to do some reading on the matter. How about you start here:
'Three years after Donald Trump ordered a crackdown on undocumented migrants crossing into the US, lawyers are still struggling to find the parents of 545 children separated from them under the “zero-tolerance” policy, according to the American Civil Liberties Union.
In a court filing, the ACLU said that about two-thirds of the parents had been deported back to the country of origin in Central America, leaving their separated children behind. In the rush to carry out Trump’s orders, the locations of the parents were not recorded and three years later they still cannot be found.' Parents of 545 children still not found three years after Trump separation policy
These children were not just separated. Poor records have delayed or prevented reunification with their parents. This is not equal to to incarcerated parents whose children are placed with other family members or foster care.
And now you can do some reading to find out who many of these children are, and how they're being exploited:
"In his work as a border control agent in Yuma, Ariz., from 1994 until 2019, Michael Gramley saw traffickers “providing” children to unrelated adults so they could more easily gain entry into the US.
“It was, ‘You don’t have a kid? I’ll provide a kid,’ ” he told me.
When adults reach their destination in the US, they return the child to traffickers, who send the child “back to Guatemala and repeat the cycle.” And those are the lucky ones. Gramley said many of these children eventually end up being forced to work in the US sex industry, often in prostitution or child pornography.
How Biden’s border policy will increase child sex trafficking to US
Why would you expect these "parents" to ever be found, unless they're given hundreds of thousands of dollars to come back and claim a sex-trafficked child, and then be able to sell the child again. A real money-making scheme for the traffickers if biden gets his way.
I think you're missing the point regarding this issue, which is "orange man bad".
@Bradski asks for evidence then doesn't look at it.
Just so everyone knows. He did this on this very thread. I suggest you ignore his pleas for evidence completely.
And now you can do some reading to find out who many of these children are, and how they're being exploited:
"In his work as a border control agent in Yuma, Ariz., from 1994 until 2019, Michael Gramley saw traffickers “providing” children to unrelated adults so they could more easily gain entry into the US.
“It was, ‘You don’t have a kid? I’ll provide a kid,’ ” he told me.
When adults reach their destination in the US, they return the child to traffickers, who send the child “back to Guatemala and repeat the cycle.” And those are the lucky ones. Gramley said many of these children eventually end up being forced to work in the US sex industry, often in prostitution or child pornography.
How Biden’s border policy will increase child sex trafficking to US
Why would you expect these "parents" to ever be found, unless they're given hundreds of thousands of dollars to come back and claim a sex-trafficked child, and then be able to sell the child again. A real money-making scheme for the traffickers if biden gets his way.
Let me know when you have anything at all to say about the cases in question. Anything at all. We'll all be keen to find out what you know.
Let's see what the details are so we can all discuss it.
So everything that has already transpired which led up to the cases in question is moot?
You don't look at evidence.
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