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Should the West go to war with Iran?

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  • No, wait until they make the first move

  • No, I'm against war completely

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GreenMunchkin

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Should the States and the UK make a pre-emptive strike on Iran?

I'm adding a poll, but would like your thoughts.



Reminder: Per our guidelines only members are allowed to debate. Debate is defined as anything other than a fellowship post. Thank you (rmw8855)
 

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NO!
But had to vote for the 'other', cos, 3,really. But then - Hitler etc.
So, suppose, though I entirely disagree with war, sometimes it Is necessary.
But not in this case.:(

Remembrance day - 45 members of the British armed forces have been killed in action this year :sigh:
And the number of people altogether, internationally, must be hundreds - possibly thousands. :cry:
Was brought up on army camps - saw frinds' fathers killed in the Falklands war.
War is something to be avoided if at all possible.
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Servant222

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I think you should re-word your question, just to make it less provocative. Don't get me wrong- I think it is a valid question; I asked a related one myself in an earlier thread about whether respondents thought that Iran was trying to acquire the bomb (75% of 20 thought "yes").

Here's some points to consider with regard to this question:

1. should any country today, sharing an increasingly smaller planet in terms of how long it takes an ICBM to get from point A to point B, be allowed to develop nuclear weapons? Seems to me we already have enough countries with the bomb and we need to do everything we can to discourage even one more from acquiring them.

2. should we be particularly careful about allowing a non-democratic, politically unstable country with a history of fanatical political and military actions from even pursuing nuclear technology, let alone having even the slightest possibility of developing a nuclear bomb?

3. should we be even more careful when we are dealing with a country ruled by fanatical, religious-based zealots? Zealots that would be quite happy, under the banner of martyrdom, to launch a nuclear weapon first, even if it means their own destruction?

4. should we be suspicious of any country that is developing nuclear power plants, but that refuses to acquire the fuel from a controlled and reliable source? The Russians and maybe even the Canadians would likely be quite willing to provide Iran with nuclear fuel- it there were iron-clad guarantees that the fuel wasn't diverted to weapons manufacture.

5. do you believe that it would be absolutely unacceptable for a country like Iran to acquire nuclear weapons, and that we need to do whatever it takes to stop that from happening? The U.S., Canada, Britain, Israel, Australia, France, Germany, and probably most countries in the world, would agree with this position.

If you answered "no", "yes", "yes", "yes", "yes" to the above, then we really do need to be concerned about Iran, and be willing to use force if necessary to stop the country from acquiring nuclear weapons- but only if diplomacy fails.

If force is necessary, then I think it is of vital importance that countries around the world be united in their efforts to stop Iran, and not let the U.S. and Britain bear the brunt of these containment efforts. Even if cumbersome, I think any response has to come through the United Nations so that the world is seen to be united against a common problem.
 
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I've re-worded it.

See, am hearing people talk about it constantly, and there are any number of threads about it on this site, but am curious as to what the Biblical response is, cos I just don't know. I hate war, but am aware that sometimes it's a necessity :(

I don't know.
 
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When Israel performed a perfect, surgical strike in 1981 on Saddam's efforts to start a nuclear reactor with a direct aim to build nuclear weapons, President Reagan had to renounce the event in public.

But privately. he approved of it and was relieved that the U.S. did not have to deal with it.

For the amazing story of how Israeli intelligence and their courageous pilots were so successful, this video wlll make it plain.

This 1981 endeavour should provide much more to strengthen Christian outlook, in addition to the Holy Bible:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2295792449224502914&q=Military+Iraq
 
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Servant222

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I voted "other" because I think force should only be used if all diplomatic efforts fail, and it is obvious that Iran is bound and determined to develop nuclear weapons; for example, if they continue to thwart verification efforts.

Waiting until they make the first move is NOT an option, since they have already indicated that martyrdom is acceptable; in other words, they would gladly make the first move and attack a country like Israel- which would unquestionably lead to a nuclear exchange that would leave the Middle East a wasteland- and create a radioactive cloud that would soon affect all of us.

No thanks- unless Jesus emerged from the cloud, of course.
 
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On this Remembrance Day, think of what would have happened if popular revulsion in the 1930's against war had prevailed, and all those brave soldiers had not made the ultimate sacrifice?

- The Final Solution would have become a reality.

- Hitler would have been able to hold the entire world at bay- this is because he had an advanced nuclear development program, and was only a few years away from developing the bomb AND already had the world's most sophisticated missile delivery system.
 
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I believe that Israel will act first - but what we have to know here is that Iran feels like they have to start the war to end all wars to bring back their God. They have to be stopped before they reach that stage - there is no talking to them because they want to bring back the return of their God.
 
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If you haven't voted yet, consider this CNN headline story today:

Experts weigh in on security of Pakistan's nukes

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Global security experts expressed concern Sunday that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal could wind up in the hands of Islamic radicals after President Gen. Pervez Musharraf last weekend declared a state of emergency.

"Make no mistake: This is a very dangerous situation," said John Bolton, the former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/11/pakistan.nuclear/index.html?iref=topnews

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So would we want a second country with "Islamic" extremists in that part of the world to have nuclear weapons?
 
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Should the States and the UK make a pre-emptive strike on Iran?

I'm adding a poll, but would like your thoughts.

I've re-worded it.

See, am hearing people talk about it constantly, and there are any number of threads about it on this site, but am curious as to what the Biblical response is, cos I just don't know. I hate war, but am aware that sometimes it's a necessity :(

I don't know.

Shall non-members be allowed to reply on this thread?

Wondering.

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I voted "Other". No need to go to war with Iran. Rather, if we find their nuclear weapon facilities, we go in and launch a tactical air strike against them. Reduce them to rubble and that's that. If they go after Israel (which I believe is the current threat on the table if we do anything like that), then Israel kicks their butt (with our support). We will not go to war with Iran.
 
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Cromwe11

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Here's the problem with questions like this. Its not that the person who asked didn't ask the right question or anything like that.. these are the questions of the day that we all face. The problem is that the way we talk about these things, assumes that there is a "right" choice. We assume that there is a choice which will lead to success as we define it.

That might not be the case. The simple fact, that we usually don't consider is that all choices very well may end in disaster.

I think it is foolish to think that Iran is not seeking nuclear weapons.
It would be monumentally, colosally foolish to allow Iran to GET nuclear weapons.

However, it is very possible that going to war with Iran could prove disasterous as well. It could ignite the whole region, it could spark war between Israel and Syria, there are all sorts of variables.

In the end I don't believe the US will go to war with Iran, at least not a full scale invasion. I don't think we, as a nation, have the stomach for it at this point because of how badly the Dems have undermined our resolve and national moral regarding Iraq.
 
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I was the one "no, against war completely' vote.
I truly beleive the wars are planned way in advnace, the reasons made up or manufactured during the fact.
Our say means nothing.
I believe they will, but Iraq was more important, thats why it will always be occupied.
 
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Servant222

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It is interesting that when you open Google Earth and zoom into the site of Iran's nuclear reactor at Esfahan and other sites, you get very detailed images that are really quite sobering to see- some branch of government obviously provided Google with these detailed photos so that anyone can see what's going on.

One interesting WEB site that describes Iran's nuclear facilities and provides detailed satellite photographs is John Pike's site Globalsecurity.org; here is the link to the page the describes the nuclear sites:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/nuke-fac.htm

Click on the links for detailed info, including detailed pictures, on each site.

Like, why would Iran have obviously buried a massive portion of one reactor deep underground, as the time sequence of photographs show, and surrounded it with anti-aircraft defences, if it is just the site of an ordinary nuclear power plant?
 
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Cromwe11

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according to Ezekiel 38 and 39, Iran (persia) along with a confederation of allies, will invade Israel and their armies will be destroyed.

This is one reason that I don't think that the US will go to war with Iran. If we truly are near the end times then Iran has to be in a position to try to invade Israel.
In Ezekiel the response of the west (probably including the US) is basically a diplomatic protest. Which could be the case if our people are fed up with the idea of any war, and if there is a dem president.
 
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