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Iran Nuclear Threat Accelerating because of Joe Biden

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Yeah. Don't trust the MSM and don't trust Iran about ANYTHING. Ignore what they say and watch what they do. And compare our situation with them today to our situation five years ago.
50 years ago, we overthrew their government.

And are trying to do it again.

Why wouldn't they want nukes?
 
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It's not clear how you monitor Iran without reporters. Do you read Iranian telegram channels, or something?
 
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50 years ago, we overthrew their government.

And are trying to do it again.

Why wouldn't they want nukes?
You actually touch on what I think is a core problem. Ever since WWII we meddle hopelessly in the affairs of other countries. No wonder so much of the world sees us as the bad guys. We have more in common with ancient Rome than many people really want to see. I really liked that Trump was bringing a lot of it to an end.
 
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It's not clear how you monitor Iran without reporters. Do you read Iranian telegram channels, or something?
I watch what they do. I also have an acquaintance that lives there. Like all news stories, their recollection of events that they experienced and actually showed up on our MSM does not match the story. I had a similar thing happen to me about 30 years ago regarding local news in Seattle about something that happened at our neighbor's house. Sometimes it's best to interpret news stories through the lens of one's own understanding of mankind and how we act and think. I like this phrase: Being a man, I know the heart of man. It prevents me from believing baloney, or at least "obvious" baloney.
 
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The press is something. It's funny, I was on the go and I did an interview with the press at someone else's house some months back. One very liberal person was there and got to hear what I said and compared it to the report on the news--they accurately said it was nothing like what I said. That is so typical. I still cooperate but this has been going on for a long long time, they have a narrative and stick to it.
 
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The first time I saw it: Cronkite presented the Tet Offensive as a terrible blow to the US and proof we were losing bad. But the real story was that the VC threw out everything they had and they gained nothing. We held them off. It should have been the end with the US winning, but thanks to Cronkite an his ilk, the war was lost at the home front. Pathetic.

Around 2004-2007 I did a lot of travelling in my job. It meant that via my hotel room TV's I was exposed to a lot of "local news" in various cities around the US. What made it comical was that they talked as if their audience is in 6th grade. It was insulting. I sometimes see it when visiting our family in Chicago and nothing's changed. The local news is utterly pointless. I'm amazed they watch it.

But the bottom line is that I trust nothing the MSM says about Iran.
 
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Maybe Iran wants nuclear weapons because the US has been attacking them regularly since 1980, and even shot down an Iranian civilian jumbo jet. They see that the US doesn't attack North Korea...and they see the reason why.
 
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If you're getting your news online, it's still being "pushed" to you. How are you fooling the algorithm?
 
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The information was significantly mismanaged by the US Army at the time. The Army had been feeding the press and the American people the line of "we're winning the war, no sweat" when the truth the war was "two steps forward, two steps back, step left, step right."

When the Tet Offensive suddenly struck deep into territory that was supposedly locked down--when reporters who thought they were perfectly safe in Saigon were suddenly running hiding for their own lives from Viet Cong soldiers within "we smell your cologne, we know you're here" distance from them...yeah, when they got a chance to report that experience, it wasn't a good look for the US. Yes, the US held them off...but according to the Army, they should not have been able to get anywhere near there.

The fact that it was actually a net military loss to the North Vietnamese was something that was known only sometime later. But it was a morale victory, for sure.
 
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Maybe Iran wants nuclear weapons because the US has been attacking them regularly since 1980, and even shot down an Iranian civilian jumbo jet. They see that the US doesn't attack North Korea...and they see the reason why.

As does Iran's primary perceived enemy -- Israel. (Other regional powers near Iran that have nukes include Pakistan, India, China, and Russia.
 
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If only there was, I dunno, some kind of structured international agreement that incentivised Iran away acquiring nuclear weapons while providing for independent access and assessment of its nuclear programme...

Maybe the US would like to sign up to that?
 
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only if israel gives up its nukes too.

we tried to pretend they don't have any for years.
 
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only if israel gives up its nukes too.

we tried to pretend they don't have any for years.

Why not include the Space Laser with the nukes?
 
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Iran is backing Hamas, Houthis and Hezbollah. America (regardless of party) is a staunch supporter of Israel in their ongoing fight against terrorism and for general survival. The major change from Trump to Biden was the shift to a more skeptical approach to Saudia Arabia.

I am trying to unpick your post:

1) Biden's ending of sanctions did enrich Iran. With the existing leadership maybe it was obvious that these extra resources would be misused.

2) Biden has been a strong advocate for Israel despite protests from within his party. But those same protests are occurring in Israel because of the humanitarian costs of the peace operation in Gaza and his policy there more accurately reflects the desire of the actual citizens of Israel.

3) Trump is more likely to be hostile toward Iran and in a more proactive way in cooperation with Israel and Saudia Arabia. Iran knows this but no one knows if Trump will win in 2024.
 
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Ukrainian politics in 2014 were deeply corrupt and Yanukovych was a pawn of Putin which is why the people of Ukraine did Maidan. You overestimate America's contribution to this. Yanukovych was arrested for high treason by Ukrainians.

Without the removal, the country was on its way to being a client state somewhat like Belorussia. The Crimea fits more naturally with Russia as does the Donbas but the rest of the country has another identity now and cannot be part of an expanded Russia without trampling on the aspirations of a free people.

Whether or not America continues to support Ukraine is part of a bigger decision on how important Europe is to it. The fact is Europe and the USA together will always have a greater weight than China while America alone may not. The advantages that America gets from its global hegemony appear to be lost on a great many Americans but the price of money (how much you have to pay when you borrow) is a big part of that. Isolationism may well equal American bankruptcy and a global recession that would make the 1930s look like a garden party.
 
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What I get from this interesting and rather scary account is that sober minds prevailed in all these key moments. Is Trump level-headed enough to take a step back at the crucial moment and calm things down is the key issue here? He is cut from a different cloth than previous presidents who have kept the peace.
 
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All of this is our own doing. The world reserve currency should be neutral if you want the world to use it without fear but we use it to control other countries. Sanctions haven't been effective because the same sanctioned countries are doing the same bad stuff. I'm sure you know how the sanctions with Russia have affected your country and the rest of Europe. The sad thing is that the sanction hasn't hurt Russia that much economically but it's hurt the world more because of the resources Russia provides.
I don't think isolationism will bring back the 1930s or it might make a small contribution but the out-of-control spending by the government in what seems to be endless wars., We had American companies in Russia and what?
Ukrainian politics in 2014 were deeply corrupt and Yanukovych was a pawn of Putin which is why the people of Ukraine did Maidan. You overestimate America's contribution to this. Yanukovych was arrested for high treason by Ukrainians.
So, we have placed our pawns in government. As a result of our meddling, Putin took Crimea because he saw the writing on the wall. Have you noticed the Brics counties? They don't share our values and are separating from the American bully. Our Western governments have become arrogant and want to force everyone to be like us but we forget there are different cultures abroad.
If you think about it it's really like a Christian trying to force an Athiest to become Christian, what kind of hate will that generate? When we can be friends and accept them in culture and beliefs. Peace
 
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