Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
It changed with the economy. They lived in an essentially agrarian society.deu58 said:Hi Stormyone
I was not aware that early SDA's were following the 6 days of work rule and 1 of rest, When did that change?? I have seen on Sabbath threads where SDA's are asked why they do not work 6 days and the question usually goes unanswered,
StormyOne said:That was not my intent, and I am not sure I could put words in your mouth.....lol Let me rephrase... Sassy I would hope that if confronted with a decision at that time, you follow the Lord's leading.... That you would do His will and not your will...(how's that?)
statrei said:It would float in a flooding city, however.
Another point most who quote EGW on this overlook is that she understood that Christ would have come long before we got to 2000. In 1856 she was told by an angel that Christ would return within a generation or so. I put that information in the same category as Christ's statement to His disciples that He would return within a generation. Each time humans drop the ball new contingency plans have to be put into effect. I don't even think we can extend those predictions beyond their "natural" lives.
Maybe biblically, but not in God's mind. If it were a foregone conclusion we would not be still waiting for it. God does not need thousands of years to make up His mind about a foregone conclusion. Even as kids we know that if some says he is going to punch you lights out if he hesitates he is giving you time to get away so that he won't have to punch your lights out. You don't stand up there and say, "Well, it's a foregone conclusion, because he already said it." It is time tojonno said:That endtimes will be turbulent and distressing is biblically a forgone conclusion.
The biggest ongoing deception is the church's insistence that the devil could not have possibly deceived them. They have full confidence in their intelligence.Believer-in-Christ said:We must be aware of the Deceiver that is Satan. He will make counterfiets in these end times and some will be fooled into following him instead of the Christ.
statrei said:The biggest ongoing deception is the church's insistence that the devil could not have possibly deceived them. They have full confidence in their intelligence.
And put big crosses on most of them and put all their addresses on the internet.StormyOne said:Deu,
It is my belief that home churches are the wave of the immediate future especially if we believe that christians will be hassled for their beliefs.... Big, organized churches are targets, and magnets for persecution....
Look at it this way, if you are an army going to fight are you going to concentrate all of your resources in the same place, put spotlights on it so everyone knows where your troops and their supplies are?
jonno said:Hello Stormyone
I spent quite some time reading thru all the postings in this thread and was quite educated. My beliefs were strengthened in some regards and views confirmed somewhat.
That endtimes will be turbulent and distressing is biblically a forgone conclusion. What is not concluded is the finer details. This all christians conclude based on their own interpretaions of scripture and heavily influenced by denominational teachings. This is quite evident in this forum from both liberal and conservative participants.
What is of concern is:
When I indicated an inaccuracy in an EGW prophecy and advised a caution in dogmatism,I was reported and in spite of a clarification posted by myself. the posting was deleted. All response you get is a "we'll see".
deu58 said:Hi all
Now the Holy Spirit dwells within us and empowers us. Continually committed to Jesus as our Saviour and Lord, we are set free from the burden of our past deeds. No longer do we live in the darkness, fear of evil powers, ignorance, and meaninglessness of our former way of life. In this new freedom in Jesus,
This was just posted in another thread as a new fundamental belief bringing the total to 28 now, I cut out this part because it looked to me as if the Adventist church may be moving away from the original teaching of the Investigative Judgment,
I know the traditionalists still hold to the original teaching but I am curious of what the the moderate/liberal view is towards the Investigative Judment
yours in Christ
deu 58
deu58 said:Hi Stormyone
I was not aware that early SDA's were following the 6 days of work rule and 1 of rest, When did that change?? I have seen on Sabbath threads where SDA's are asked why they do not work 6 days and the question usually goes unanswered,
Cliff2 said:Once a person does away with the IJ and the Sanctuary then it all begins to fall apart.
We see it time after time, they go and then the Sabbath goes very soon as well.
I would not want any SDA to think that we have been fooled into believing that there is no IJ.
Cliff2 said:Once a person does away with the IJ and the Sanctuary then it all begins to fall apart.
We see it time after time, they go and then the Sabbath goes very soon as well.
I would not want any SDA to think that we have been fooled into believing that there is no IJ.
It can be found here.
"24. Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary:
There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle which the Lord set up and not man. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry at the time of His ascension. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent. (Heb. 8:1-5; 4:14-16; 9:11-28; 10:19-22; 1:3; 2:16, 17; Dan. 7:9-27; 8:13, 14; 9:24-27; Num. 14:34; Eze. 4:6; Lev. 16; Rev. 14:6, 7; 20:12; 14:12; 22:12.)"
The IJ is not based on anything EGW says or what anyone else may say. As you can see it is from the Bible.
Another link about the IJ
Hello Cliff2
If a doctrine falls apart biblically then it deserves to.
And one should not hold on to a doctrine falling apart just so that other doctrines could be sustained (jonno)
Not necessarily.... however I understand what you are saying.... by the way Cliff... we cannot prove that the IJ is occurring or ever did..... in my opinion the Sabbath has never hinged on belief in the IJ.... but that's me....(StormyOne)
Cliff2 said:Look at the links I have provided and please explain why the IJ is wrong in your opinion?
You are correct in saying that the Sabbath has nothing to do with the IJ. As far as I am concerned that has never been an issue.
Okay here is my problem. If we as sda's believe in the Investigative Judgement, then judgement is happening as we speak, when Christ returns there is no judgement bar that we must stand before because the "judgement" has already happened. I mean how is it that we will face judgement (in the end) yet judgement be happening now? He is coming back to give out rewards or am I mistaken?
Two, when God forgives us and casts our sins into the depths of the sea, then there is nothing recorded on the heavenly DVDs regarding the "sins" we have committed because they have been erased. Thus, those sins aren't held against us because they have ceased to exist. So why would a "heavenly sanctuary" need cleasing if those sins have ceased to exist?
Three, if Christ's righteousness has taken the place of our righteousness, the deeds of Christians are covered by the righteous deeds of Christ or are they? In effect Christ would be looking at His own work, if a person is in Christ and being transformed by His Spirit correct?
So then there is nothing in the life of the believer that needs to be reviewed.... Sins have been forgiven and forgotten... Righteousness is covered by the righteousness of Christ... so what is being investigated?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?