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Nothing we have said contradicts what she wrote. Read again the section you highlighted. Take your time. Then read what we posted. When you are finished detail the contradictions you have discovered. EGW is not the problem. The problem is with those smart people who twisted her words.Olikamay said:Oh ye of little (next to none) faith. Of all the things that EGW said would come to pass in these last days--and all that has come true, how can you doubt now? The old addage is, he who laughs last laughs best, applies here. Except it really isn't so funny. How many times throughout history when people have laughed and criticised God's prophets did those same people have to eat crow? My oh my.
Da'll neber lurn!
Testimonies for the Church Volume Nine, page 232, paragraph 2
Chapter Title: The Religious Liberty Work
The light given me by the Lord at a time when we were expecting just such a crisis as you seem to be approaching, was that when the people were moved by a power from beneath to enforce Sunday observance, Seventh-day Adventists were to show their wisdom by refraining from their ordinary work on that day, devoting it to missionary effort.
To defy the Sunday laws will but strengthen in their persecution the religious zealots who are seeking to enforce them. Give them no occasion to call you lawbreakers. If they are left to rein up men who fear neither God nor man, the reining up will soon lose its novelty for them, and they will see that it is not consistent nor convenient for them to be strict in regard to the observance of Sunday. Keep right on with your missionary work, with your Bibles in your hands, and the enemy will see that he has worsted his own cause. One does not receive the mark of the beast because he shows that he realizes the wisdom of keeping the peace by refraining from work that gives offense, doing at the same time a work of the highest importance.
When we devote Sunday to missionary work, the whip will be taken out of the hands of the arbitrary zealots who would be well pleased to humiliate Seventh-day Adventists. When they see that we employ ourselves on Sunday in visiting the people and opening the Scriptures
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to them, they will know that it is useless for them to try to hinder our work by making Sunday laws.
Sunday can be used for carrying forward various lines of work that will accomplish much for the Lord. On this day open-air meetings and cottage meetings can be held. House-to-house work can be done. Those who write can devote this day to writing their articles. Whenever it is possible, let religious services be held on Sunday. Make these meetings intensely interesting. Sing genuine revival hymns, and speak with power and assurance of the Saviour's love. Speak on temperance and on true religious experience. You will thus learn much about how to work, and will reach many souls.
Let the teachers in our schools devote Sunday to missionary effort. I was instructed that they would thus be able to defeat the purposes of the enemy. Let the teachers take the students with them to hold meetings for those who know not the truth. Thus they will accomplish much more than they could in any other way.
Sunday can be used for carrying forward various lines of work that will accomplish much for the Lord. On this day open-air meetings and cottage meetings can be held. House-to-house work can be done. Those who write can devote this day to writing their articles. Whenever it is possible, let religious services be held on Sunday. Make these meetings intensely interesting. Sing genuine revival hymns, and speak with power and assurance of the Saviour's love. Speak on temperance and on true religious experience. You will thus learn much about how to work, and will reach many souls.
StormyOne said:[/size]
According to the above statements, EGW suggests that we use Sunday to spread the word... so where is the conflict?
deu58 said:Hi all
I have not seen this before, And it seems very confusing, Are saying that she said when the law comes to go ahead and stop worshipping on the sabbath???
To keep the Sunday law???
SassySDA said:I never said it was about us. Don't YOU start putting words in my mouth now, as well.
I told you what I intend to do...there's no "WE" in I
StormyOne said:No she suggests that services be held on both days....
I truly hope you keep this basic concept in mind in the future. I could save us quite a bit of misunderstanding. Many people who spout off about EGW have only read and digested what was presented to them at a seminar. The rest they just read over and subconsciously fit into the model they were given.deu58 said:probably why I never saw this particular teaching from the writings, I have never heard any SDA here speak of it before,
You'd be surprised at how effective such a mentality is at keeping people committed to a cause. There is nothing much stronger than the victim or martyr complex.deu58 said:How can you still keep Saturday when it is forbidden by law to do so??? It is my understanding that the Sunday keepers will be killing the Sabbath keepers during the great tribulation,
A Sunday law could never forbid worship on the Sabbath, nor could it forbid you from going to church on the Sabbath. Just think of what that entails. They can forbid you from having church services at all, but who would that target?deu58 said:Hi all
I have not seen this before, And it seems very confusing, Are saying that she said when the law comes to go ahead and stop worshipping on the sabbath???
To keep the Sunday law???
StormyOne said:Let's look at the other thing this belief does... it generates fear and paranoia.... those things should be absent when it comes to the things of God.... Daniel was not fearful, he knew God would be faithful to him....
The disciples were not fearful, nor did it cross their minds, they did what the Holy Spirit compelled them to do, and rested in the fact that God would be faithful in His promises to them....
We sometimes preach fear... why?
It would float in a flooding city, however.StormyOne said:They could not even get 100,000 people out of a flooding city to safety, so making 270 million people here in the U.S. and the billions of people globally to not worship on one day and worship on Sunday will be possible.... naw... that boat won't float today... IMO
Why wait to see when you can read and understand? God expects us to actively seek His will.SpeakNow said:All I can say, StormyOne, is "we'll see".
deu58 said:Hi Stormy one
How can you still keep Saturday when it is forbidden by law to do so??? It is my understanding that the Sunday keepers will be killing the Sabbath keepers during the great tribulation,
So I do not understand how pretending to keep the Sunday law is going to avert the wrath of the anti Christ towards sabbath keepers,
I am used to the historical Adventists interpretation of the Sunday law, Where they will be running and hiding, Not witnessing on Sunday and holding religious services,
probably why I never saw this particular teaching from the writings, I have never heard any SDA here speak of it before,
Many SDA's where I live have already sold their posessions and moved to the mountains because they believe the Sunday law is soon to come,
We live in a predominatly Catholic country so many traditional SDA's are pretty skittish most of the time any way, Many Tradational Adventists here are afraid of the Catholic church,
yours in Christ
deu 58
This raises a question that deu and I have debated elsewhere: Is the church always correct in what it concludes and believes. The evidence is clear that being under the influence of the Holy Spirit does not prevent one from making fundamental errors. The worst error man can make has already been made.StormyOne said:Lastly remember the context. The early adventists believed that they were to work a literal 6 days then rest on Sabbath. They got in trouble because they refused to close their businesses on Sunday. So even then they were worshipping on Sabbath, but getting into trouble because of not obeying the laws of the land on Sunday.... let that sink in for a moment....
Lastly remember the context. The early adventists believed that they were to work a literal 6 days then rest on Sabbath. They got in trouble because they refused to close their businesses on Sunday. So even then they were worshipping on Sabbath, but getting into trouble because of not obeying the laws of the land on Sunday.... let that sink in for a moment....
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