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Introducing "Dark Matter"

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But then wouldn't all astronomy, astro/solar physics have this issue?
 
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Why do you think scientists seem to have given up looking for normal matter and chose to speculate on a new type of matter? The specific examples you offered about missing stars don't even seem to be considered.
 
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You mean how they had to invent a satellite first to test his results. Of course it was slow. Now experiments take around 10 to 15 years to go through planning and then launch. It is very slow and that won't change any time soon.

Unlike Chapman, Birkeland *ALREADY* figured out a physical way to TEST his ideas, by comparing his experiments in the lab to his measurements of the magnetic field alignments and strengths on the ground during solar storms. The mainstream ALWAYS ignores EMPIRICAL testing when it suits them in favor of mathematical mythologies like Chapman's ideas. The annoying thing is how much time they spend *IGNORING* empirical tests and empirical testing methods. For instance, every single high energy observation on the sun can and is explained by "empirical" testing of "electrical discharges" in the lab. Only one of those observations was ever achieved with "magnetic reconnection" in a lab, and even then it was simply a single ELECTRON, and the real source of energy was the CURRENT that sustained the whole experiment. Birkeland knew more about solar physics that most astronomers today.

With dark matter and dark energy, plasma cosmology doesn't work. The whole thing hinges on EM forces, which we know don't work on such large scales with any real strength. Only gravity can.
That's nothing more than your personal "dogma". You have no evidence that "gravity" is the most important force of nature in the universe, in fact "dark energy" is WAY more important in terms of the MOVEMENTS of the physical universe than "gravity". Ditto for the "inflation sky entity". Evidently gravity is a big wussy in mainstream theory.

Well there are most likely have to better ideas than an EU.
Why? What makes you believe that? What parts of EU theory have you even studied?

I'm sure it will shift but if we get a theory for quantum gravity I suspect it won't be towards EU.
IMO it's likely to work the other way around. It's likely that gravity will turn out to be nothing more than a quantum effect CAUSED BY the EM fields that permeate spacetime.

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But we will never be able to do experiments for many , if any cosmological processes. Other fields have that issue, like climate science or weather. We don't have the ability to reproduce them in a lab. We go to models and test them with observations, I don't see an issue with that.
 
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Well, we can recreate certain climatological processes in the lab, like vortices and cyclones via pressure systems, the water cycle, lightning and thunder. We do it quite often. We use the models to extrapolate the data.

But we have yet to create an actual climate to test the various climate hypotheses so doesn't that field have this issue as well?
 
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Thank you. What a strange world.
 
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Why do you think scientists seem to have given up looking for normal matter and chose to speculate on a new type of matter? The specific examples you offered about missing stars don't even seem to be considered.

Yes, I asked why not a bunch of stellar size black holes earlier? No comment on that either.
 
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Don't be so fast. We haven't. We can not put the earth in a lab yet. According to you, geology is not science either. Well, that is what I told my intro class anyway.
 
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Anyway, as a geologist, I don't really think geology is a science.

Go on, talk about neutrinos and the back stuff. I like to hear more about it.

How about the stellar-size black holes? Do we know for sure that they are not a candidate for the dark matter?
 
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Geology is science per definition. You should know that as you claim to have a PhD in that area (if I haven't misunderstood that).
 
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But we will never be able to do experiments for many , if any cosmological processes.

I'm always fascinated when an atheist in particular can be comfortable with the idea that cosmological processes will forever be an act of faith on the part of the believer. Typically all the while they tend to lack belief in God based on empirical arguments. Fascinating.
 
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Geology is science per definition. You should know that as you claim to have a PhD in that area (if I haven't misunderstood that).

Don't make distraction here. I will talk to you on this some other places.
 
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This is interesting. Is this hinted by the "leak" of gravity? Then the interaction between or among dimensions would be a potential issue of discussion. Right?
 
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So say more about it.

Does the scenario set in the movie 2012 about neutrinos even make sense? It suggested that too many neutrinos from the sun heated up the core of the earth. See, the core of the earth is made of material much denser than Pb (13 to 18 versus 11), and the size of the core is about 6000 km in diameter.
 
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