Intrigued.(Wof only)

[he4rty]

I'm Intrigued how your doctrine of healing is applied/works.
It`s a bit tricky over there with all the debating to see it clearly, so if you don't mind I've posted a thread in here in the hope you can all explain the basic principles of it and how I might apply it.

Where do I stand on healing, I believe God can heal today ( although I've never seen a healing happen), Although I don`t think God would Give you an illness, I do think he could use it to correct your walk with him.

 

[PastorMike]

This is just a basic answer, if you require more please ask...

We believe healing was provided for in the atonement or Jesus paid the price for healing at the cross...

Jesus death was one of substitution, Isa: 53:5 Jesus died to redeem us in three arenas… spirit, soul and body.
• He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities, these are spiritual, transgressions are deliberate acts of breaking the law of God. Iniquities are character traits or inherited weaknesses in a person’s nature for a particular sin. Things like temper, (he’s just like his father, quick tempered) children who grow up in abusive homes often times end up abusive themselves etc.
• The chastisement of our peace was upon Him, peace has to do with the soul, peace of mind and peace of heart.
• With His stripes we are healed, healing has to do with the body.

We see that Christ has redeemed us spirit, soul and body.

Some people then teach that Isa 53 was not talking about spirit, soul and body but rather three aspects of spiritual healing but look at Matt. 8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

Matt. 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

 

[Optimax]

I'm Intrigued how your doctrine of healing is applied/works.
It`s a bit tricky over there with all the debating to see it clearly, so if you don't mind I've posted a thread in here in the hope you can all explain the basic principles of it and how I might apply it.

Where do I stand on healing, I believe God can heal today ( although I've never seen a healing happen), Although I don`t think God would Give you an illness, I do think he could use it to correct your walk with him.

How to be healed.

The power of God is made manifest through His Word or His intervention in the ordinary course of things (a miracle). The way healing usually happens is through His Word.

Make a list if every healing scripture you can find.

Spend every moment you have reading, studying, meditating (thinking about) those scriptures. Obtain some good healing school tapes or CD’s.

Fill your days and nights immersing yourself in God’s Word concerning healing. This is so important because this is how God’s healing power is released in a person. Releasing the Word of God concerning healing in a person, is accomplished by the Study of the Word concerning healing, Reading the Word concerning healing, Meditation on the Word concerning healing and Listening to the Word concerning healing.

When you began to be “full” of the word on healing it is time to start confessing the scriptures out loud. Say the scriptures out loud over and over.

For Example.

By His stripes I am healed. Father you say that your word will not return unto you void. That it will accomplish what you please and prosper in the thing whereto you sent it.

Lord I thank you that your word is accomplishing healing in me now and that your word of healing is prospering in me now.

Lord, it is so good to be healed.

When these things are done healing happens. It is a process.

Hope this helps, be glad to answer questions if you have them.

 

[he4rty]

Thanks for the response, can we delve more deeply or to put it another way, i pray for mine and other peoples healing and am not seeing the fruits so some where I`m missing the point.

 

[Optimax]

Thanks for the response, can we delve more deeply or to put it another way, i pray for mine and other peoples healing and am not seeing the fruits so some where I`m missing the point.

Begin with a study of the Name of Jesus and our authority in it.

 

[probinson]

Thanks for the response, can we delve more deeply or to put it another way, i pray for mine and other peoples healing and am not seeing the fruits so some where I`m missing the point.

I was recently shown this in the Amplified Bible....

Matthew 7:7-8
7 Keep on asking and it will be given you; keep on seeking and you will find; keep on knocking [reverently] and [the door] will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who keeps on asking receives; and he who keeps on seeking finds; and to him who keeps on knocking, [the door] will be opened.
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So what do I do when I don't see an instant manifestation of my healing? I keep on asking, seeking and knocking.

I struggled with allergies for 10 years. Doctors said I would only get worse and that I would not ever get any better. Yet in that whole time, I never once questioned that God wanted me healed. Even though this all took place between when I was 5 and 15 years old, it never sat right in my spirit that a heavenly Father that Loved me would want me to suffer like this. And so I stood, outfitted with the whole armour of God, fully expecting for my healing to come. I did not doubt that God wanted me healed, and I TRULY believed that I would see my healing manifest.

One day, I woke up, and *poof* my allergies were just gone. I went to the doctors and they did about a million tests to discover that my allergies were COMPLETELY gone. Just a year prior, the same tests had shown that I was violently allergic to everything under the sun (and then some). But I stood firm. Regardless of the doctors reports. Regardless of what it looked like. And today, 13 years later, I am, and have been, completely allergy free!

Healing is not a formula. The thing I had to do may not be the thing you need to do. The thing we all have to realize is that God is our healer. He knows the answer. I don't. So He's the only one that can tell you what you need to do (or not do). It causes us to rely on Him, and that's why He does things differently all the time. It's not that He's hiding things from us, but that He wants to have a real, intimate relationship with us. While likely none of us are there yet, we should strive to get closer to Him so we can hear His voice and follow His leading.

 

[msbojingles]

hmm...Believing God is definitely first and foremost, I have to say this is one area of WoF that seems to get jumbled up and misunderstood. It seems people tend to think our faith is in faith, or in words, when first it must be from God.

Obviously I've not been the typical WoFer in my experiences with healing. I don't know....

I've personally found that repeatedly in the NT, it talks about Jesus seeing through to the heart of matters. He always got to the root. Even with the pharisees, He struck through to their hearts intent and got to the point. He was a discerner of hearts.

So why am I rambling about this?

While Jesus has given us His authority....if we don't have a REVELATION of the scope of our authority..we CANNOT operate in the whole - only in part. I'll just apologize straight up for not being able to explain this very well.

There's that scripture - the amount of faith that worketh within us...

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. When Jesus healed - everyone was healed! When the disciples healed, if someone didn't get healed, Jesus NEVER rebuked the person seeking the healing, rather He rebuked the disciple for their lack of faith.

Now this is where I'm headed. As I recently experienced...sometimes healings are just *zap* instantaneous...others just seem to not happen at all! It would be nice if we could just paint every situation with a broud brush. But each person is different.

Like my Dad....I did NOT need a list of healing scriptures compiled by someone else who used them in their situation - I needed to pray and speak to my DAD'S situation, but before I could do that, I needed to know God's mind in it. And God SPOKE, what HE would have me pray and say. And while what I prayed was in the bible, it was really only two partial scriptures ~ but the power and authority behind it was straight from the throne - it wasn't what a man spoke, it was what GOD spoke TO DAD in THAT HOUR.

I could have prayed for the physical symptoms all day long, as we have for years, and then the physical need would be "treated" temporarily...then we'd go over it again...cycle after cycle...

While, like I've also said, my brother had leukemia, went into remission, then he relapsed. The doctors said he would die, but we prayed for his physical healing, and he was completely healed! There is NO cancer in his body.

So I was faced with the realization that somehow, there MUST be a difference. What worked for my brother was NOT working for Dad. These "formulas" were falling FLAT. What was needed was more than logical looking at the scriptures - true discernment from the Throne was the prescription of the hour - to see the root that needed to be pulled up.

See, my dad does not believe in healing the way spirit-filled people do. Someone else had to believe FOR him. And it was probably a combination of things. He also came to a place where medical science could do absolutely NOTHING for him other than give him pain meds. He KNEW that if God didn't do it (the healing), it wouldn't get done.

And here's the crux of what has changed my thinking.

My grandma died last November..from cancer. When I was in that hospital room...there were ANGELS there. You could feel the breeze from their movements. I remember starting to pray....and actually felt the Lord stop me, and He said, "it's ok." Puzzled and not understanding (because of what I've been taught), I heard the Lord say, "would YOU want to stay?"

I looked at my gramma laying in the bed, and I'm not kidding, her face started to glow. It grew brighter that night. All her wrinkles disappeared, and her skin got really dewy and young looking. Her white hair shined. If anyone has ever seen that show "touched by an angel" that is how her face looked.

So why would the Lord tell me to not pray for her healing? I believe she wanted to go home. And I had no business imposing my will for her to be healed over her own will.

 

[msbojingles]

I was recently shown this in the Amplified Bible....

Matthew 7:7-8
7 Keep on asking and it will be given you; keep on seeking and you will find; keep on knocking [reverently] and [the door] will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who keeps on asking receives; and he who keeps on seeking finds; and to him who keeps on knocking, [the door] will be opened.
​

So what do I do when I don't see an instant manifestation of my healing? I keep on asking, seeking and knocking.

I struggled with allergies for 10 years. Doctors said I would only get worse and that I would not ever get any better. Yet in that whole time, I never once questioned that God wanted me healed. Even though this all took place between when I was 5 and 15 years old, it never sat right in my spirit that a heavenly Father that Loved me would want me to suffer like this. And so I stood, outfitted with the whole armour of God, fully expecting for my healing to come. I did not doubt that God wanted me healed, and I TRULY believed that I would see my healing manifest.

One day, I woke up, and *poof* my allergies were just gone. I went to the doctors and they did about a million tests to discover that my allergies were COMPLETELY gone. Just a year prior, the same tests had shown that I was violently allergic to everything under the sun (and then some). But I stood firm. Regardless of the doctors reports. Regardless of what it looked like. And today, 13 years later, I am, and have been, completely allergy free!

Healing is not a formula. The thing I had to do may not be the thing you need to do. The thing we all have to realize is that God is our healer. He knows the answer. I don't. So He's the only one that can tell you what you need to do (or not do). It causes us to rely on Him, and that's why He does things differently all the time. It's not that He's hiding things from us, but that He wants to have a real, intimate relationship with us. While likely none of us are there yet, we should strive to get closer to Him so we can hear His voice and follow His leading.

good post

 

[Diatheke]

Here are some excellent free healing teachings on this page regarding healing and how it works.

http://www.gutschurch.com/podcast/GPTHcast.xml

Click the file you want and it will open in Windows Media Player OR if you want to save it just right click on the file and choose "save file" - and put it in a folder - you can then play it on MS Windows Media Player whenever you want.

These are free from Gut's church.

http://www.gutschurch.com/


On the above page are the following titles.

God's Will - God's Word Heals

God's Will - God's Word is Seed

God's Will - Believe That He Is

God's Will - Jesus Heals All

God's Will - God's Companion

God's Provision - Not An Afterthought

God's Provision - Christ Redeems Us

God's Provision - Faith Through Love

God's Provision - His Name Is Above All Names

Receiving Your Healing - Asking For Healing

Receiving Your Healing - Believe You Receive

Receiving Your Healing - The Passover Lamb

Receiving Your Healing - The Redemptive Names Of God

Our Healing Authority - Part 1

Our Healing Authority - Part 2

Our Healing Authority - Part 3

Our Healing Authority - Part 4

Faith For Healing - Part 1

Faith For Healing - Part 2

Faith For Healing - Part 3

Faith For Healing - Part 4

Corresponding Action - Part 1

Corresponding Action - Part 2

Corresponding Action - Part 3

Corresponding Action - Part 4

Hindrances - Our Enemy, The Devil

Hindrances - The Devil is a Liar

 

[Diatheke]

There is a healing ministry section on CF - I have posted a lot of teachings/topics there.

http://www.christianforums.com/f468

 

[pdudgeon]

Thanks for the response, can we delve more deeply or to put it another way, i pray for mine and other peoples healing and am not seeing the fruits so some where I`m missing the point.

and the difference here could well be in the manner of your asking (prayer).

What WOF does in prayer is to come into agreement with God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit according to what is His will for the situation. In order to do that you must be aware of what God's will is, and that is found in the word of God, because there is living power in God's word.

knowing God's will is the major difference between WOF and the others, who say there is no way possible to know the will of God. that's why they feel compelled to add "if it is Thy will" to their prayers.

So it makes sense that since they believe that they cannot know the will of God,(the necessary first step) for them, comming into agreement in prayer with His will is very much like taking a shot at the lottery--a billion to one odds that they might get it right. So is it any wonder that more often than not their prayers miss the mark? Who shoots at a target without first taking aim?

the phrase 'if it is Thy will' is actually an insult to God. WOF understands that because we recognize who we are in Christ. Our true relationship to God our Father is one of sonship (joint heirs with Jesus) and all the rights of inheritance that gives us. The others, meanwhile are still waiting for the crumbs to fall from the table of God, not realizing that they have the right to everything on the table itself.

and so they humble themselves, praying 'if it is Thy will'.

 

[spiritfilledwoman]

So why would the Lord tell me to not pray for her healing? I believe she wanted to go home. And I had no business imposing my will for her to be healed over her own will.

We had a similiar experience with my husband's grandfather back about 4 years ago. He had worked as a manager in the coal mines of Eastern KY for most of his life. That was before they were protective breathing masks, so he developed what they call rock lung. We got the phone call that he was in the hospital and it didn't look good.

Long story short, we had a divine visitation, to say the least, in the car during the 3.5 hour drive to see him. We knew we were to be ready to speak life back in his body when needed. Well, he passed away and everyone but hubby and I left the room after he passed. My husband stood there and looked at me. He then put his hand on his grandfather's foot and right when he started to speak the life back in his body, the Lord stopped him. He looked at me and we both knew that he had made the decision to go on. It wasn't that God "called him home." It was that this precious man made the decision to leave that night.

 

[JustAFadedMemory]

Thanks for the response, can we delve more deeply or to put it another way, i pray for mine and other peoples healing and am not seeing the fruits so some where I`m missing the point.

Question...
When you pray for someone to be healed, do you fully expect them to be healed?

How would you complete this sentence?

People may not be healed because ________________.

 

[JTM3]

Question...
When you pray for someone to be healed, do you fully expect them to be healed?

How would you complete this sentence?

People may not be healed because ________________.

they lack expectation...

 

[he4rty]

Question...
When you pray for someone to be healed, do you fully expect them to be healed?

How would you complete this sentence?

People may not be healed because ________________.

Of a lack of faith, it could be a lack of faith from the person asking for healing or from the person praying for healing. But this then leads me to the conclusion that although God would possibly not cause sickness he may use it to show us an error of our ways.

But having done a quick study of the Healings of Jesus, see link

http://www.christianforums.com/t4384727-jesus-the-healings-an-observation.html

One of the main things i noticed was Jesus did uses Healing to teach,rebuke or challange but it was not the person being healed who was tested more the onlookers.

 

[JustAFadedMemory]

Of a lack of faith, it could be a lack of faith from the person asking for healing or from the person praying for healing. But this then leads me to the conclusion that although God would possibly not cause sickness he may use it to show us an error of our ways.

But having done a quick study of the Healings of Jesus, see link

http://www.christianforums.com/t4384727-jesus-the-healings-an-observation.html

One of the main things i noticed was Jesus did uses Healing to teach,rebuke or challange but it was not the person being healed who was tested more the onlookers.

When you pray for someone to be healed, do you fully expect them to be healed?

If not, why not?

 

[RevJdK]

I Know I dont have my icon(though I have REPEATEDLY said I was WOF and asked how to get the icon), let me say that I am shocked that all I see spoken of by WOFers is faith. Faith alone doesnt bring about anything.
A blind man was sitting by the road. The disciples asked who had sinned, him or his parents. Jesus replied neither, walked over to the guy, spit on the ground, put the mud in his eyes(my paraphrase of course). Then he directed him to go wash. This man didnt have faith....not one single ounce. We know that because when he was asked who healed him, he had no idea. So hear me....you can meditate until you are blue in the face...believe until hell freezes over....but if your not obedient to Gods Word and decrees, it aint gonna happen.

 

[Creg]

I Know I dont have my icon(though I have REPEATEDLY said I was WOF and asked how to get the icon), let me say that I am shocked that all I see spoken of by WOFers is faith. Faith alone doesnt bring about anything.
A blind man was sitting by the road. The disciples asked who had sinned, him or his parents. Jesus replied neither, walked over to the guy, spit on the ground, put the mud in his eyes(my paraphrase of course). Then he directed him to go wash. This man didnt have faith....not one single ounce. We know that because when he was asked who healed him, he had no idea. So hear me....you can meditate until you are blue in the face...believe until hell freezes over....but if your not obedient to Gods Word and decrees, it aint gonna happen.

The fact is you still do not have a WOF Icon and the gentleman has requested WOF only to post in this thread. If he wants these kind of posts he can go to the debates posted in the main Spirit Filled forum. You keep saying you are WOF but disagree with what is posted on the WOF forums? You may want to do a little more study on the WOF doctrines before proceeding to obtain the icon. Information about this is found on the Stick: New Forum: Word of Faith in the last post.

About faith. The teaching, doctrine, principal of faith, or whatever you want to call it is of the upmost importance in the Christian faith. The bible says that "without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God". It says that "that which is not of faith is sin", "the just shall live by faith" and so on. (Heb. 11:6, Rom 14:23, Gal 3:11)

A general belief in something is not the same as faith. A child may believe in Santa but he still doesn't exist. Faith is only genuine when built up by hearing the Word of God "Faith comes by hearing..." anything else is merely a false assumption.

Faith is the only way we can receive anything from God. It's this way with salvation and it's the same with everything else. Any exceptions to this is ether a result of someone interceding for another person or the gifts of the Spirit being in manifestation. This even happened in Jesus ministry. It was "Be it according to your faith" or as in Luke in the crowded house when the man was lowered through the roof it said that the presence of the Lord was there to heal.

And yes, obedience is a key factor but unless you develope your faith you should not expect to receive anything from God. (see James 1:6,7)
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[he4rty]

When you pray for someone to be healed, do you fully expect them to be healed?

If not, why not?

I think I doubt, don`t ask me why I would doubt but if I had to find a stumbling block that would be it.

 

[he4rty]

I Know I dont have my icon(though I have REPEATEDLY said I was WOF and asked how to get the icon), let me say that I am shocked that all I see spoken of by WOFers is faith. Faith alone doesnt bring about anything.
A blind man was sitting by the road. The disciples asked who had sinned, him or his parents. Jesus replied neither, walked over to the guy, spit on the ground, put the mud in his eyes(my paraphrase of course). Then he directed him to go wash. This man didnt have faith....not one single ounce. We know that because when he was asked who healed him, he had no idea. So hear me....you can meditate until you are blue in the face...believe until hell freezes over....but if your not obedient to Gods Word and decrees, it aint gonna happen.

See link above,

Giving Sight to a Man Blind since Birth john 9:1-41

Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither has this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God might be revealed in him

This verse plainly states the healing was purely for Gods glory to be seen, Also if we read on we can see how this healing caused much debate and divisions with in the synagogue.

The only other point i would raise is you mentioned faith, a lot of the healings of Jesus required the one asking to have faith not the one who is sick, As the man was healed by Jesus what greater faith was there.