interracial relationship?

[Archivist]

I gathered that. Of course I think it's sad that many people want to destroy the races God created.

As I said, it is a free country and you are entitled to your opinion. I think your opinion is both racist and entirely wrong.

I agree with PrNcSsChRmNg91, where is your Biblical proof?

 

[Blackguard_]

Funny, you mentioned God but you didn't show any Biblical proof. Mind you share it with us?

There are many warnings against the Jews mixing with other people.

Deuteronomy 7
3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

Here they kill a jew/non-jew couple and God stops the plague he had sent because of it.

Numbers 25
6 And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
7 And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand;
8 And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.

Hosea 5:7
7 They have dealt treacherously against the LORD: for they have begotten strange children: now shall a month devour them with their portions.

And "strange" in the Bible can mean "foregin".

Exodus 18:3
And her two sons; of which the name of the one was Gershom; for he said, I have been an alien in a strange land:

And here's a warning against inter-racial marriages in general as they destroy cultural/national unity and weaken them.

Hosea 7
8 Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned.
9 Strangers have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not: yea, gray hairs are here and there upon him, yet he knoweth not.

 

[Archivist]

The examples you gave all deal with the mixing of Jews and non-Jews, i.e. religious mixing. Please provide Biblical evidence that specifically deals with the mixing of races.

 

[TrueQ]

Yeah, yah gotta keep in mind that they're all the same skin color on that slice of Earth. It's a mistake to look at white Pharaoh and white Moses in The Ten Commandments and think they must've looked like that.

 

[Blackguard_]

The examples you gave all deal with the mixing of Jews and non-Jews, i.e. religious mixing. Please provide Biblical evidence that specifically deals with the mixing of races.

the Jews are a race. Remember the convenant made with Isaac's descendents?

Ezra 9:2
For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass.

 

[Blackguard_]

Yeah, yah gotta keep in mind that they're all the same skin color on that slice of Earth.

Yes that's true, but a "race" can be many different things. And race is more than skin color. the Jews are a race in the sense of a "A genealogical line; a lineage." and not a race in the same sense the White or Black races are.

race1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rs)
n.
A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
A genealogical line; a lineage.
Humans considered as a group.
Biology.
An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.

About the only real inter-racial marriage I could find was where Moses marries an Ethipian (blacK) woman.

Numbers 12
1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

 

[The Bellman]

To the OPer: please take to your heart all of the posts in this thread urging you to follow what you believe to be right, and to date men of other races and fall in love with them based on what they, themselves, are, not based on the colour of their skin or their racial background. Your grandmother sounds like a great lady; your step-mother sounds like a racist bigot. Please ignore what she says along with the offensive racist bigotry expressed by another poster in this thread.

 

[neocon]

I agree with PrNcSsChRmNg91, where is your Biblical proof?

Where is your Biblical disproof??????????????

 

[Archivist]

Where is your Biblical disproof??????????????

Under basic rules of evidence he who asserts must prove. He asserted that interracial marriage was wrong for Biblical reasons. It is therefore incumbant on him to prove the point.

He has said that the Jews were to be seperate and apart from others and that the Jews are a sepearte race. I find that the Bible says that the Jews are God's chosen people; I cannot find anything in the Bible that identifies them as being a seperate race.

Meandyoutoo, follow love. Date who you want. What is important is what is on the inside, not the color of one's skin. The Bellman is right. Ignore the bigotry shown by your stepmother and by one and perhaps two of the posters here. Look at what they are saying. This is written out of hate, not out of love. Even the symbols of the two individuals who have posted what I would consider to be racial remarks show that they are not happy people.

Trust God, follow your heart and you will find much joy.

 

[slayer-2004]

Hi! I am new here, but I am seeking Christian advice. I am a caucasian female and I am dating a male that has puerto rican background (also with german and italian about five generations back.) My step-mother says that this relationship is not biblical.

There is nothing wrong with that . Your step mother is ... bah ... Dont wanna get banned

 

[meandyoutoo]

Thanks. I need to be prepared for both sides, so I guess that God may have sent opposing opionions so that I would be prepared. Praise HIM! I believe that all of those verses are refering also to the mixing of religious beliefs.

A very wise man once told me that you have to check the surrounding story, and also check the concordances, so I am sure that upon doing so, there will be nothing that stands up against interracial relationships.

Just for the record, I am not with a black, his parents' parents were from Puerto Rico. Just for clarity, not that in my eyes it would make a difference. And as far as biblical disproof: do you find anything in the bible that says its ok to use the computer? Do you still do it? What about driving a car? Or kissing or hugging either a friend or your boy/girlfriend? Aren't all of these things acceptable in society without biblical disproof?

 

[slayer-2004]

Imponderable to wrap things up : If God is racist , why would he create differant races ? Can an omnibenevolent god promote hatred ? Does it make any sense that He would write anything about racism in a book ?

Assuming the bible is true , if there is one word about racism in there we should clearly be able to think for a second and realize that such hatred must have been added by someone else who wanted to taint the word of god . God would not want us to be racist . It kinda contradicts the whole omnibenevolent thing .

 

[cabbitgrrrl]

That means spiritually. Salvation, spiritual gifts, etc. doesn't take race into account. It is not in support of racial Nihilism.




1. The Germans of world war 2 did not want to conquer the world, their goal was Greater Germany, which was to unite all German people in Europe as many had been put in other countries due to re-drawings of the borders over the years.

2. God wanted the world inhabited by many races, and the racial Nihilists are trying to destroy that.

Inter-racial marriage is wrong for reasons similar to why queer marriage is wrong, both are against Natural Law. God created the races, and the natural order is for people to breed only within their race as a matter of self-preservation. Inter-racial marriage destroys the races that God created and is a monstrosity as it goes against Natural Law.

Jet Black,



Then how did they identify Derrick Todd Lee as a Black using only DNA? Or is DNA not "molecualar"?

"In 2003, DNA analysis was used to correctly determine the race of a Louisiana serial rapist. Police had initially suspected a serial rapist was a white male, but DNA analysis of evidence indicated the perpetrator was African American. This help lead to the capture of the rapist, Derrick Todd Lee."
Source: Wikipedia "race" article.



The intelligence beneifits of diverse backgounds and multiple lanquages are the result of inter-cultural marriage, not necessarily inter-racial.

And what is your source for this info? Who are the kids more intelligent then? For instance with a white/black kid does he ussually just have a higher IQ then a black kid or does he ussually have a greater IQ then a white kid? It makes a big difference as many explain the IQ boost of inter-racial kids being the result of the greater IQ of one one of the races in the mix lifting up the other race. "breeding up" in other words. Or breeding down depending on which race's perspective you look at it from.

Of course many also argue intelligence is based on nurture over nature, making any argument about intelligence and race meaningless, as the conditions that brought about greater or lesser intelligence have nothing to do with race, such as the multiple lanquages thing you mentioned.


"Hybrid vigour" eh? Too bad that only applies to dog, horse, etc. breeds that are very inbred. The human races have more then enough genetic variation for inbreeding to not be a problem, especially considering the claim that most genetic variation occurs within races.

And doesn't "less chance of recessive alleles popping up" mean no more blonde/red/brown hair, blue/green/gray eyes etc.? those are all recessive traits, or am I misunderstanding what a "recessive allele" is? That is why a black/white mixture almost always looks Black right, becasue their traits are very dominant while traits associated with whites are recessive? What is wrong with "recessive alleles"?

You do realize that if your goal is getting rid of recessive alleles then eventually the only race left on Earth will be the Blacks as their traits are the most dominant?

sounds like blackguard would have wanted the germans to win

 

[Caylin]

Just date whomeber you want! Screw anyone who says otherwise and follow your heart.

 

[Nietzsche]

this is a very funny topic to me many Christians are saying theres nothing wrong with it.

Funny as in the 1950s you guys were saying that god is against it and were pulling verses from the bible saying how god was against it and such.

and now days you look at it and say "theres nothing wrong with that"

In the future i know you will look back on gay marriage and say the same thing.


Reason number 2235264089386082 why i hate Christians

 

[Blackguard_]

sounds like blackguard would have wanted the germans to win

I'd rather Hitler had won then Stalin, although I don't like the Nazis. I'd rather have had WW1 handled better so that the conditions leading to the Nazi or a similar party's, rise to power would not have happened. But I'll take the Nazis over the Reds, they being the lesser of two evils.

Imponderable to wrap things up : If God is racist , why would he create differant races ? Can an omnibenevolent god promote hatred ? Does it make any sense that He would write anything about racism in a book ?

I think you misunderstand what a "Racist" is. It is simply someone who acknowledges that the races of Man exist, it does not necessarily mean a Supremacist of whatever stripe.

So a racist God would have created the different races as a non-racist God would not have created any races. God is racist, but he is not a Supremacist. Being Jewish, White, Black, etc. won't erarn you any points with God, we are all racially equal under his Law and Grace as those are purely individual matters.

Being racist does not mean you hate the other races. Indeed, as far as actions the anti-racists are more hateful of the races as the racist tries to preserve the races wheras the anti-racist often works to destroy them.

A better question would be "If God is anti-racist, why did he create the races?"

Assuming the bible is true , if there is one word about racism in there we should clearly be able to think for a second and realize that such hatred must have been added by someone else who wanted to taint the word of god . God would not want us to be racist . It kinda contradicts the whole omnibenevolent thing .

Racism does not equal hatred, if anything the anti-racists are hateful and the racists loving as the anti-racist hates the races by their actions in trying to destroy them and the racist loves the races by preserving them.

 

[slayer-2004]

I think you misunderstand what a "Racist" is. It is simply someone who acknowledges that the races of Man exist, it does not necessarily mean a Supremacist of whatever stripe.

when people say racist , that is ussually what they mean . Saying that had no meaning here ...

 

[The Bellman]

I think you misunderstand what a "Racist" is. It is simply someone who acknowledges that the races of Man exist, it does not necessarily mean a Supremacist of whatever stripe.

Sorry, wrong.

rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Racism does not equal hatred, if anything the anti-racists are hateful and the racists loving as the anti-racist hates the races by their actions in trying to destroy them and the racist loves the races by preserving them.

Yes, it does.

 

[Radagast]

There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)

Racism is un-Christian!

Of course, cross-cultural relationships may have some practical difficulties, but that's another story.

-- Radagast

 

[rhema glory]

this is a very funny topic to me many Christians are saying theres nothing wrong with it.

Funny as in the 1950s you guys were saying that god is against it and were pulling verses from the bible saying how god was against it and such.

and now days you look at it and say "theres nothing wrong with that"

In the future i know you will look back on gay marriage and say the same thing.


Reason number 2235264089386082 why i hate Christians

Don't forget not ALL christians were saying "race mixing" was wrong!No where in the bible does it say interacial marriage is an abomination- but it does say that men w/ men,women lying w/ women, etc is...numerous times!The race/ gay comparison is really getting old!For #1 blacks had close to NO rights,the only rights gays don't have(for now)is to marry!I love how ppl try to portray the gay plight w/ the plight of what blacks went through in the 50's@ 60's Many of those ppl that hated blacks weren't even christian,but then again it seems like christians always get the brunt of all the evils in society Also we are not taught to hate gays,but to love them,but at the same time not condone what God calls sin

For the record I believe black guard is doing just what he stated in a previous post"playing devils advocate"I highly doubt he/she believes/feels that way!