interracial relationship?

[meandyoutoo]

Hi! I am new here, but I am seeking Christian advice. I am a caucasian female and I am dating a male that has puerto rican background (also with german and italian about five generations back.) My step-mother says that this relationship is not biblical. I wanted to hear everyone's take on this with biblical references please. Thanks!

 

[bliz]

There are people who feel that interacial relationships are not biblical. I have no idea where they claim to be getting this from. I think this argument has been used by people who were opposed to interacial marriage and and hunted up verses to prove their point. It probably would not be terrible effective to ask her for a reference... I have no reference saying that it is OK for people of different races to marry... it's like asking me to prove a negetive.

This becomes an even more absurd position as we realize that there is no scientific defination of "race". People of one "race" are not any more like other people of the same "race" than they are people of other "races". Interacial dating often offers some unique challenges, but if we all avoided relationship becasue they were challenging, no one would ever get married!

Assure your step-mother that she never has to date a man of another race if she does not want to.

 

[Mekkala]

Hi! I am new here, but I am seeking Christian advice. I am a caucasian female and I am dating a male that has puerto rican background (also with german and italian about five generations back.) My step-mother says that this relationship is not biblical. I wanted to hear everyone's take on this with biblical references please. Thanks!

It is unbiblical only under certain esoteric interpretations of the Bible. Under most interpretations of the Bible, there is no reason you should not date this man. However, aside from all those considerations, here is the most important one: Do you love him? Do you want to be with him? If so, then love him and be happy. Even if there is a God who would disapprove, would he be a God worth loving if he would condemn you and this man for honestly loving one another?

No, if God is there and he is worthy of our praise and worship, he will understand what is in your heart and bless your relationship. A truly loving God would never forbid you to love another human.

 

[BarbB]

How old are you? If you are living in your stepmother's house, you might want to remember the commandment to honor your father and mother and wait until you are an adult to date whom you want.

A truly loving God would never forbid you to love another human.

Well, according to your lights, maybe not; but a God who truly loves us does not desire that we engage in relationships against his will. Not saying that a multi-cultural relationship is against his will, but just because you "love" the guy, whatever that means, doesn't mean that you should have a relationship!

 

[Mekkala]

How old are you? If you are living in your stepmother's house, you might want to remember the commandment to honor your father and mother and wait until you are an adult to date whom you want.

Well, according to your lights, maybe not; but a God who truly loves us does not desire that we engage in relationships against his will. Not saying that a multi-cultural relationship is against his will, but just because you "love" the guy, whatever that means, doesn't mean that you should have a relationship!

The difference is that you consider such a God a truly loving God, while I do not.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Hi! I am new here, but I am seeking Christian advice. I am a caucasian female and I am dating a male that has puerto rican background (also with german and italian about five generations back.) My step-mother says that this relationship is not biblical. I wanted to hear everyone's take on this with biblical references please. Thanks!

In Christ, there are no racial differences (Galatians 3:28).

 

[Jet Black]

I don't see how. I mean, if Adam and eve were real people, then we are all the same "race" anyway: the human race. same goes for Noah. Furthermore from a biological perspective there is no real difference. there are no tests that can be performed at a molecular level to identify what race you are. Children of interracial relationships tend to be more intelligent (probablz due to experiencing diverse backgruonds and possibly multiple languages) and genetically fitter (more variation see, and less chance of recessive alleles popping up). I'm in an interracial relationship, and personally I think it's great.

 

[MaddyO3]

The bible aside, what's the point of staying out of interracial relationships? What is inherently wrong with them?

As far as I can see, nothing is wrong, so even if some book says it's wrong, don't trust the book. It's possible for ink on paper to be invalid.

 

[soulbrother-NO.1]

Jesus wasn't American or white.

 

[Nexus`]

How old are you? If you are living in your stepmother's house, you might want to remember the commandment to honor your father and mother and wait until you are an adult to date whom you want.

Just because she's under the care of a racist bigot (no offence to OP), doesn't mean that said racist bigot can control her love life.

I understand respecting and loving your parents, or gaurdians, but when they stick their noses into something that's none of their business, like her lovelife, then it's time to tell them to butt the hell out.

Well, according to your lights, maybe not; but a God who truly loves us does not desire that we engage in relationships against his will. Not saying that a multi-cultural relationship is against his will, but just because you "love" the guy, whatever that means, doesn't mean that you should have a relationship!

Well, if love isn't a good enough reason to have a relationship, then what the hell is? Money? Property? 50 camels? A guy raping a girl?

Trust me, Jehovah is not the one to turn to for relationship advice.

 

[wannagohome]

You should be able to date anyone whom treats you right and loves you for you. What does a persons outside coloring have to do with their heart and soul? Nothing. Jen

 

[TrueQ]

That doesn't make much sense. If Jehovah wanted the world inhabited solely by pure white stock, then the Germans would've won the second world war. Yah? Although I do see where people could get that idea from all that OT stuff about going off after other gods and mixing one's seed with strange women.

 

[meandyoutoo]

You guys are great!! I am nineteen, almost twenty, and no, I do not live with her, I live with my Grandmother, and she absolutely adores Will. I do love him very much, and personally I feel that God led him to me, but she just keeps bringing this fact up, and I wanted to be prepared before I asked to see her verses as I am not good with conflict. I like to be prepared, yet every site that has a devotional about this, or if it has been a question, there are no verses I have found that are against it.
It feels so much better to hear people out there talking to me, I know that family can sometimes have biased answers, and I think that some of my step-mom's views may stem from her prejudice. Her real daughter, and my step-sister is also in an interracial relationship, and both of our boyfriends have been banned from their home, and family functions, because "We feel it would not be pleasing unto God, and we do not want to condone these relationships in any way."
I am with you guys, I believe that God just wants us to love and be loved, and if you have someone that treats you well, and there is tremendous love between that man and women, who can say that love is wrong? Thanks!

 

[Archivist]

Your grandmother sounds like a loving, wonderful human being. Maybe someday your stepmother will come around.

Hang in there and best wishes with your relationship with Will.

 

[Blackguard_]

In Christ, there are no racial differences (Galatians 3:28).

That means spiritually. Salvation, spiritual gifts, etc. doesn't take race into account. It is not in support of racial Nihilism.

That doesn't make much sense. If Jehovah wanted the world inhabited solely by pure white stock, then the Germans would've won the second world war. Yah? Although I do see where people could get that idea from all that OT stuff about going off after other gods and mixing one's seed with strange women.

1. The Germans of world war 2 did not want to conquer the world, their goal was Greater Germany, which was to unite all German people in Europe as many had been put in other countries due to re-drawings of the borders over the years.

2. God wanted the world inhabited by many races, and the racial Nihilists are trying to destroy that.

Inter-racial marriage is wrong for reasons similar to why queer marriage is wrong, both are against Natural Law. God created the races, and the natural order is for people to breed only within their race as a matter of self-preservation. Inter-racial marriage destroys the races that God created and is a monstrosity as it goes against Natural Law.

Jet Black,

Furthermore from a biological perspective there is no real difference. there are no tests that can be performed at a molecular level to identify what race you are.

Then how did they identify Derrick Todd Lee as a Black using only DNA? Or is DNA not "molecualar"?

"In 2003, DNA analysis was used to correctly determine the race of a Louisiana serial rapist. Police had initially suspected a serial rapist was a white male, but DNA analysis of evidence indicated the perpetrator was African American. This help lead to the capture of the rapist, Derrick Todd Lee."
Source: Wikipedia "race" article.

Children of interracial relationships tend to be more intelligent (probablz due to experiencing diverse backgruonds and possibly multiple languages)

The intelligence beneifits of diverse backgounds and multiple lanquages are the result of inter-cultural marriage, not necessarily inter-racial.

And what is your source for this info? Who are the kids more intelligent then? For instance with a white/black kid does he ussually just have a higher IQ then a black kid or does he ussually have a greater IQ then a white kid? It makes a big difference as many explain the IQ boost of inter-racial kids being the result of the greater IQ of one one of the races in the mix lifting up the other race. "breeding up" in other words. Or breeding down depending on which race's perspective you look at it from.

Of course many also argue intelligence is based on nurture over nature, making any argument about intelligence and race meaningless, as the conditions that brought about greater or lesser intelligence have nothing to do with race, such as the multiple lanquages thing you mentioned.

and genetically fitter (more variation see, and less chance of recessive alleles popping up).

"Hybrid vigour" eh? Too bad that only applies to dog, horse, etc. breeds that are very inbred. The human races have more then enough genetic variation for inbreeding to not be a problem, especially considering the claim that most genetic variation occurs within races.

And doesn't "less chance of recessive alleles popping up" mean no more blonde/red/brown hair, blue/green/gray eyes etc.? those are all recessive traits, or am I misunderstanding what a "recessive allele" is? That is why a black/white mixture almost always looks Black right, becasue their traits are very dominant while traits associated with whites are recessive? What is wrong with "recessive alleles"?

You do realize that if your goal is getting rid of recessive alleles then eventually the only race left on Earth will be the Blacks as their traits are the most dominant?

 

[Archivist]

Meandyoutoo,

Blackguard is entitled to his opinion. However it is just that, an opinion. A racist opinion...

I believe that what Blackguard is saying is totally wrong. This is racism at its worst. Please read what he has written and imagine how a God of Love would react to it.

It si very that that some people are capable of thoughts such as these.

 

[Archivist]

I really need to do a better job proofreading before I post.

My last sentence should read "It is very sad that some people are capable of thoughts such as these."

 

[seebs]

Hi! I am new here, but I am seeking Christian advice. I am a caucasian female and I am dating a male that has puerto rican background (also with german and italian about five generations back.) My step-mother says that this relationship is not biblical. I wanted to hear everyone's take on this with biblical references please. Thanks!

Moses comes to mind as an obvious counterexample. You might read about Ruth, too.

The fact is, it's not a Biblical thing, it's a Fundamentalist thing. Part of the way the precursors to the modern fundamentalists (e.g., the founders of the Southern Baptists) defended slavery was by saying that black people were different and that God had cursed them. The leftover remnant of that is the theory that black people shouldn't marry white people. The writings on this are just plain terrifying; pretty much, take everything said about gay marriage today, and it was being said about interracial marriage in 1900.

But... There's no Biblical basis for a prohibition on interracial marriages. There's a basis for saying that Jews shouldn't marry non-Jews, going back to Ezra, but that's a religious rule, not an ethnic rule...

 

[Blackguard_]

Blackguard is entitled to his opinion. However it is just that, an opinion. A racist opinion...

yes, just like your and the other's Nihilistic opinions. I didn't want this thread to be a one-sided chorus. Someone has to play the "Devil's Advocate".

I believe that what Blackguard is saying is totally wrong. This is racism at its worst. Please read what he has written and imagine how a God of Love would react to it.

How is what I said "racism at it's worst"? And that "God of Love" stuff is just an attempt at sappy sentimentalism that is also used to justify gay marriage. Yes God is a God of love, but he is also a God of Justice and Holiness.

My last sentence should read "It is very sad that some people are capable of thoughts such as these."

I gathered that. Of course I think it's sad that many people want to destroy the races God created.

 

[PrNcSsChRmNg91]

That means spiritually. Salvation, spiritual gifts, etc. doesn't take race into account. It is not in support of racial Nihilism.




1. The Germans of world war 2 did not want to conquer the world, their goal was Greater Germany, which was to unite all German people in Europe as many had been put in other countries due to re-drawings of the borders over the years.

2. God wanted the world inhabited by many races, and the racial Nihilists are trying to destroy that.

Inter-racial marriage is wrong for reasons similar to why queer marriage is wrong, both are against Natural Law. God created the races, and the natural order is for people to breed only within their race as a matter of self-preservation. Inter-racial marriage destroys the races that God created and is a monstrosity as it goes against Natural Law.

Jet Black,



Then how did they identify Derrick Todd Lee as a Black using only DNA? Or is DNA not "molecualar"?

"In 2003, DNA analysis was used to correctly determine the race of a Louisiana serial rapist. Police had initially suspected a serial rapist was a white male, but DNA analysis of evidence indicated the perpetrator was African American. This help lead to the capture of the rapist, Derrick Todd Lee."
Source: Wikipedia "race" article.



The intelligence beneifits of diverse backgounds and multiple lanquages are the result of inter-cultural marriage, not necessarily inter-racial.

And what is your source for this info? Who are the kids more intelligent then? For instance with a white/black kid does he ussually just have a higher IQ then a black kid or does he ussually have a greater IQ then a white kid? It makes a big difference as many explain the IQ boost of inter-racial kids being the result of the greater IQ of one one of the races in the mix lifting up the other race. "breeding up" in other words. Or breeding down depending on which race's perspective you look at it from.

Of course many also argue intelligence is based on nurture over nature, making any argument about intelligence and race meaningless, as the conditions that brought about greater or lesser intelligence have nothing to do with race, such as the multiple lanquages thing you mentioned.


"Hybrid vigour" eh? Too bad that only applies to dog, horse, etc. breeds that are very inbred. The human races have more then enough genetic variation for inbreeding to not be a problem, especially considering the claim that most genetic variation occurs within races.

And doesn't "less chance of recessive alleles popping up" mean no more blonde/red/brown hair, blue/green/gray eyes etc.? those are all recessive traits, or am I misunderstanding what a "recessive allele" is? That is why a black/white mixture almost always looks Black right, becasue their traits are very dominant while traits associated with whites are recessive? What is wrong with "recessive alleles"?

You do realize that if your goal is getting rid of recessive alleles then eventually the only race left on Earth will be the Blacks as their traits are the most dominant?

Funny, you mentioned God but you didn't show any Biblical proof. Mind you share it with us?