jesusfreak3786
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An extention that has it oun lungs? brians? most of all personality and soul? Wow I didn't know that mere body parts could be so possesed!Murmur said:
For some maybe.
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An extention that has it oun lungs? brians? most of all personality and soul? Wow I didn't know that mere body parts could be so possesed!Murmur said:I feel that it becomes a "baby" as soon as the cord is cut and it can breathe on its own. Until then, it's just an extension of the carrier's body.
Regarding the pictures of aborted fetuses... Don't let your kids see them. Problem solved.
anyone who can answer means your mother was pro-life, she did not abort you. That's what that poster is saying.Broken Doll said:Huh? What do you mean?
Broken Doll
Yes, abortion is selfish. I don't recall suggesting that it isn't. I would be putting my personal needs first and I would not feel ashamed of that. I am not about to lay down my life or turn my personal needs aside for someone I don't know yet and someone who I did not invite into my life. That may be what your God expects of you - but I don't follow your God.kissybug27 said:Ok I have to say this ...that is so selfish. I don't mean to be rude or offend you but it is selfish. I hope that you are on some kind of birth control or something to prevent pregnancy if you are sexual active or maybe live in an area where the rape rate is high. Did God not tell us somewhere in the bible that we should be willing to lay our lives down for our brother. Sweetie God can heal you of the pain of what happen to you but you have to be willing to let it go. You have to realize that even if a woman is raped and gets pregnant that is still a life she is carrying. I have told my husband that if it ever happens to me and as a result I do get pregnant I will keep the baby. I like to talk about these things in case it was to happen so he knows where I stand before hand. I guess being that I am a mother it's hard for me to see why someone would not want a child. The first time you hold that child in your harms you can't even remember what yesterday was about. I'm sorry like i said I don't mean to be rude but abortion is selfish. Sorry.
All one's ability to answer means is that their mother carried them to term,Outspoken said:anyone who can answer means your mother was pro-life, she did not abort you. That's what that poster is saying.
I know people have the right to their own opinions and thoughts. But I just don't know why people don't want to refer to the baby as a baby till after it's born. There is a human life going inside you and something as incredible as that I can't imagine referring to it as a fetus for 9months.Murmur said:I feel that it becomes a "baby" as soon as the cord is cut and it can breathe on its own. Until then, it's just an extension of the carrier's body.
Regarding the pictures of aborted fetuses... Don't let your kids see them. Problem solved.
JesusFreak,jesusfreak3786 said:It's not a notion its the truth. You are not giving children enough credit, maybe you don't have children. Chilren react according to how they are raised. If you, right from the beginning don't hide the truth from them, even the ugly truth. Then this supposedly truamatic image becomes a fact of life in it's true form. I saw the street children of Kenya on a feed the children program, and when the mother was giving a 15 month old a bath, she splashed the soapy water in his face and rubbed it on his eyes and face pretty firmly, but to the baby this was just his every day bath he didn't even flinch. If you were even to sprinkle water on the face of most of the kids in amarica they would cry to no end. Now you may be wondering how this has anything to do with the pictures. Well your kids can handel what you equipt them to handle, if you shelter them, what do expect? I was raised differently, and my kids are riased differently, they are not sheltered and the truth is not hidden from them. If a parent does they should expect thier kids to freak out at the ugly parts of the world.
Exactly your mother didn't abort you. Do you really think to preserve the right of chioce without legal recourse, you would have acually made the disition to be aborted yourself? ( of course this if you had the choice.) Answer realisticly please.Fuzzy said:All one's ability to answer means is that their mother carried them to term,
and they eventually learned how to communicate. Someone can be pro-choice
and still have kids of their own. The concepts of "I'm gonna have a baby" and
"Others should have the option to not have an unwanted baby, if they so
choose." are not mutually exclusive.
One cannot answer the question without more facts. Do our souls exist before their entry into this realm?jesusfreak3786 said:Exactly your mother didn't abort you. Do you really think to preserve the right of chioce without legal recourse, you would have acually made the disition to be aborted yourself? ( of course this if you had the choice.) Answer realisticly please.
No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the son of Man who was in heaven. John 3:13pthalomarie said:One cannot answer the question without more facts. Do our souls exist before their entry into this realm?
If they do, then where do are they? Presumably they would probably exist in heaven. This would mean that you'd have to reverse your argument. And suddenly, the notion of leaving heaven for this realm does not seem to be terribly desirable.
There are additional factors to consider. Most Christians would agree that a child who is murdered before birth would go straight back to heaven. However, once born, there exists a chance of damnation. Is life in this world worth the gamble of eternal damnation? Or, would souls prefer to play it safe and take the "guaranteed" option and simply not enter this world?
To take it further, if you gave this choice to a person who lived a miserable life, followed by eternal damnation, what do you think they would choose in hindsight? Odds are, they would prefer not to have been born.
So as you can see, there are far too many variables to provide a "realistic" answer. But in terms of eternal bliss, the safe bet is to choose not to be born.
DoseOFReality said:Howdy fellow citizens! Whether you are for or against Abortion, I would like to ask everyone for your honest and sound inputs on the following idea.
Abortion is/has been one of the top world-wide issue. I would like to take a moment to briefly analyze the definition of "life," and perhaps see it from a different angle. Also, I humbly ask to be excused from my flaws or any of my assumptions as I am still a student in philosophy. I also ask that you read this as a piece of treat without a critical mind analyzing my mistakes as I am only trying to better understand this subject. Thankyou.
Firstly, I have heard and am aware of the mother's right to choose. There are many exceptional cases in abortion. Some women conceive a child through rape, incest, or simply by a mistake. and for both the sake of mother and the "thing" inside the womb, it is understood that the following action of "abortion" is tolerated.
Do we, as human beings, recognize the "thing" inside the womb as life?
When does a human being become recognized as person? and during what process of pregnancy do we define this blob of blood as life?
Because the way I see it, the issue isn't the mother's right to choose. I think the real issue is the definition of life. Because if the fetus inside the womb is by definition life, then it rightfully assumes the basic human rights which includes the right to live. The mother no longer has jurisdiction over the life of the baby if infact whats inside is life.
So does the "mother's right to choose" over-rule the fetus' human rights?(assuming the fetus is a life)
Which is greater?
Consider this, though it may sound awfully silly. Does a mother have a choice to "abort" a 5 year old boy? If the fetus is infact life, does it not have the same right as would a 5 year old boy? If so, then the difference between the 5 year old boy and the fetus would be the location. One being inside the womb and one out in the field.
Is it not agreeable that the real issue of abortion is definition of life rather than mother's right to choose? Thanks for bearing with me and I hope for many interesting inputs.
Oh, okay. That is false for some people, though. My mother isn't and never was pro-life (she had an abortion when she was 17). Pro-choice doesn't mean you are going to have an abortion every time you get pregnant. Some pro-choicers never have an abortion and you don't have to have one in order to be pro-choice. Pro-choice means you believe women should have a right to choose how they're going to go through with their pregnancy, whether it be motherhood, adoption or abortion. I have a feeling a lot people here seem to have it in their head that if a woman goes through with a pregnancy, then that means she's pro-life.Outspoken said:anyone who can answer means your mother was pro-life, she did not abort you. That's what that poster is saying.
Miss_Behave said:The way I see it is the pregnant mother who is in danger of losing her life has already had the gift of life. She's already living. The unborn baby hasn't had that chance yet. Why should it loose its right to life?
Who knows. I understand what you mean though, I feel the same. Human selfishness is yet again undefinable, I guess. Sad, isn't it?Monica02 said:On a similar note-
What has always baffled me is that one would be hard pressed to find a mother of a born child who would not give her life for that child if she had too. Somehow if her baby is still in the womb, then for some it is a different situation.
Perhaps because they cannot see or cuddle the babe?
Miss_Behave said:The way I see it is the pregnant mother who is in danger of losing her life has already had the gift of life. She's already living. The unborn baby hasn't had that chance yet. Why should it loose its right to life?
"Answer realistically." Well, in the fall of 1974, when I would have been injesusfreak3786 said:Exactly your mother didn't abort you. Do you really think to preserve the right of chioce without legal recourse, you would have acually made the disition to be aborted yourself? ( of course this if you had the choice.) Answer realisticly please.
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