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you are absolutely right!Susanna said:But doesn't God know us before we are even formed in our mothers wombs. We are ALL God's creation and as Christians and followers of Christ we have no right under any circumstances to take the life of another even a baby that is yet to be born.
It's simple.geocajun said:wrong, pro-abortion means someone who is in favor of abortion - such as yourself.
If you were pro-choice, then I am sure you can demostrate for us how much time and effort you spend fighting against abortion, to balance the time and effort you spend promoting abortion right? Fact is.. the only choice you fight for is abortion.
geocajun said:wrong, pro-abortion means someone who is in favor of abortion - such as yourself.
If you were pro-choice, then I am sure you can demostrate for us how much time and effort you spend fighting against abortion, to balance the time and effort you spend promoting abortion right? Fact is.. the only choice you fight for is abortion.
You have consistently fought in this thread for the cause of abortion, yet I have not seen a single post of yours chamption the cause AGAINST abortion.Archivist said:I don't promote abortion nor am I in favor of abortion, as you have said. I simply believe that women should have a choice.
And yes, I do contribute to Birthright, an organization that allows women to ask questions and to explore options without pressure and without passing judgment. Birthright does not use "scare tactics" or pressure, show abortion slides or pictures, picket or harass abortion clinics, evangelize or lobby for legislative changes or engage in the public debate on abortion.
Isn't it nice when you can make a personal judgment about someone you don't even know. Get you facts straight before you make such statements.
geocajun said:You have consistently fought in this thread for the cause of abortion, yet I have not seen a single post of yours chamption the cause AGAINST abortion.
Please feel free to point one out if I am wrong.
and you can quit with the demogaguery of "I'm judging you" ...
It's not the fact that you have to fight abortion and defend it. What lunacy is that. You can't fight and defend the death penalty at the same time.geocajun said:My question still stands PL - show me where some pro-'choice' person (you can even use yourself) has fought against abortion, just as hard as they fight for abortion.
If you show me that, then I can understand how you could say 'choice', however the ideology of pro-choice is manifested exclusivly in the form of love and support of abortion.
That is why pro-choice is really pro-abortion.
DoseOFReality said:Howdy fellow citizens! Whether you are for or against Abortion, I would like to ask everyone for your honest and sound inputs on the following idea.
Abortion is/has been one of the top world-wide issue. I would like to take a moment to briefly analyze the definition of "life," and perhaps see it from a different angle. Also, I humbly ask to be excused from my flaws or any of my assumptions as I am still a student in philosophy. I also ask that you read this as a piece of treat without a critical mind analyzing my mistakes as I am only trying to better understand this subject. Thankyou.
Firstly, I have heard and am aware of the mother's right to choose. There are many exceptional cases in abortion. Some women conceive a child through rape, incest, or simply by a mistake. and for both the sake of mother and the "thing" inside the womb, it is understood that the following action of "abortion" is tolerated.
Do we, as human beings, recognize the "thing" inside the womb as life?
When does a human being become recognized as person? and during what process of pregnancy do we define this blob of blood as life?
Because the way I see it, the issue isn't the mother's right to choose. I think the real issue is the definition of life. Because if the fetus inside the womb is by definition life, then it rightfully assumes the basic human rights which includes the right to live. The mother no longer has jurisdiction over the life of the baby if infact whats inside is life.
So does the "mother's right to choose" over-rule the fetus' human rights?(assuming the fetus is a life)
Which is greater?
Consider this, though it may sound awfully silly. Does a mother have a choice to "abort" a 5 year old boy? If the fetus is infact life, does it not have the same right as would a 5 year old boy? If so, then the difference between the 5 year old boy and the fetus would be the location. One being inside the womb and one out in the field.
Is it not agreeable that the real issue of abortion is definition of life rather than mother's right to choose? Thanks for bearing with me and I hope for many interesting inputs.
Actually, you bring up an intriguing paradox. Children's rights have actually expanded dramatically since Roe V Wade. Kids have more say in their lives (perhaps even too much) than ever.dede10 said:No, mom's have no right to "abort" a 5 yr old in our society....but you see by the news a few have. How long do you think it will take to become acceptable to do something like that? Respect for human life seems to be dwindling............
do you have any idea what demagoguery is? my statement was hardly an appeal to a popular prejudice. Your statement about me "judging you" certaintly was...Archivist said:Please show me a single post where I have promoted anything other than choice.
If anyone is practicing demogaguery it is you. YOU are the one who said that "the only choice you fight for is abortion." If that isn't a judgment call, I don't know what is.
I hope no one ever needs to have an abortion.geocajun said:that is exactly my point, so show me where you are promoting life.
We're killing thousends of animal species.dede10 said:But we are still killing babies, where is their say? Yep, now girls can get an abortion without parents consent! (Remember ANY surgical proceedure carries with it the risk of death)
you can champion the cause for ending animal killing if you like - we'll stick to fighting for peoplePrince Lucianus said:We're killing thousends of animal species.
Where's their say.
They are more conscious than foetusses are?
Are you defending their rights as well??
Lucy
All4one said:Here was have way to much research on the actual process and not enough on motivation. I don't consider it so much a physical issue as I do a mental one. A person is replacing a life that could be the next Albert Einstein or President Bush for something they consider more important then life itself. What if that child aborted had been Johann Guttenburg or Marie Curry? By abortion we are not advancing life and the thought of living in it we are actually killing breakthroughs and advances. Regardless of weather the child is breathing or what not it still has potential. Remember the law "An object in motion remains in motion unless acted upon by an outside force"? There is potential but it acted on by an outside force.
In Christ Love,
All4one
Good you stick with people (In my opinion, foetusses aren't people, but that's another story with lengthy debates).geocajun said:you can champion the cause for ending animal killing if you like - we'll stick to fighting for people
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