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It has come to my attention over a period of time that "Calvinism" , "the Doctrines Of Grace" are almost universal , by that I don't mean all Christians accept these doctrines (I wish) but that almost all denominations have at one time or another moved amongst God's revealed Doctrines of Grace .

I am hoping for some input here , I would like brief succinct accounts of Denominational Leaders/Teachers who understood and believed these transcendental (above denominations) truths .

May I begin in a most unusual place .

1. Greek Orthodox .

Cyril lucaris (1572-1638)

"The Greek Orthodox Church was forever on the decline after the Great Schism on 1054. However, there were some bright lights at this time that arose with sound doctrine. Cyril Lucaris (c. 1572-1638) formulated a Confession of Faith in 1629. It was very Calvinistic and spoke heartily of predestination, the sole mediatorial work of Christ and justification by faith alone."

http://www.apuritansmind.com/HistoricalTheology/AdvancedHistoricalTheology/AHT-Part26Contours19th20thCenturyTheology.htm

Now if someone else would like to pic a denomination , and a Theolgian/Preacher / teacher who stands out in this way , please feel free ...........
 

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next we have not a Methodist , but

2. "The Father of Methodism"

George Whitefield


'George Whitefield was a minister in the Church of England and one of the leaders of the Methodist movement. He was born on December 16, 1714 at the Bell Inn, Gloucester, and died in Newburyport, Connecticut on September 30, 1770. In contemporary accounts, he, not John Wesley, is spoken of as the supreme figure and even as the founder of Methodism. He was famous for his preaching in America which was a significant part of the Great Awakening movement of Christian revivals.

George Whitefield was the son of a widow who kept an inn at Gloucester. He was educated at the Crypt School, Gloucester, and Pembroke College, Oxford, and was a part of the 'Holy Club' at Oxford University with the brothers, John Wesley and Charles Wesley, usually seen as the founders of the Methodist Church. His genuine piety led the Bishop of Gloucester to ordain him before the canonical age.

Whitefield preached his first sermon in the Crypt Church in his home town of Gloucester. In 1738, he went to America, becoming minister of Savannah, Georgia. Returning home in the following year, he resumed his evangelical activities, preaching in the open air when churches refused to admit him.

He parted company with Wesley over the doctrine of predestination; Whitefield was a follower of Calvin in this respect. Three churches were established in his name: one in Bristol and two others, the "Moorfields Tabernacle" and the "Tottenham Court Road Chapel", in London. Some of his followers joined the Countess of Huntingdon's "connexion", spreading a Calvinistic form of Methodism in Wales, and Whitefield became the Countess's chaplain. He continued to visit America on a regular basis to preach, and also toured the whole of Britain.

In 1738 Whitefield preached a series of revivals in Georgia. Here he established the Bethesda Orphanage, which still exists to this day. In Georgia there was originally a prohibition on slavery. However in 1749 there was amovement to introduce it there, which Whitefield supported. He owned slaves who worked at the orphanage, and these were bequeathed to the Countess of Huntingdon when he died. When he returned to America in 1740 he preached nearly every day for months to large crowds of sometimes several thousand people as he travelled throughout the colonies, especially New England.

Like his contemporary and acquaintance, Jonathan Edwards, Whitefield preached with a Calvinist theology. He was known for his powerful voice and his ability to appeal to the emotions of a crowd, and unlike most preachers of his time spoke extemporaneously, rather than reading his sermon from notes. It is difficult to say wherein the effect of his preaching lay; certainly not in his language or logic, for his printed sermons contain nothing remarkable; it must have been by earnestness and charm of voice that he could attract to him the rich as well as the poor.

He first took to preaching in the open air with remarkable results at Bristol, which at that time was a center of vice in all its worst forms, and he was the first to provide spiritual privileges for the colliers who lived like heathens near that city. 20,000 of these poor workers crowded to hear him, and the white gutters caused by the tears which ran down their black cheeks showed how visibly they were affected, strong men being moved to hysterical convulsions by his wondrous power. John Wesley joining him there was not a little perplexed at these 'bodily symptoms'; he saw them as evident 'signs of grace', notwithstanding that Whitefield considered them to be 'doubtful indications'. Indeed, modern psychologists would call it symptoms of mass hysteria if there were 'persons that screamed out, and put their bodies into violent agitations and distortions' during a sermon. William Hogarth satirized such effects of Methodist preaching in his print, Credulity, Superstition, and Fanaticism (1762).

Whitefield's more democratic speaking style was greatly appealing to the American audience. Benjamin Franklin once attended a revival meeting in Philadelphia and was greatly impressed with his ability to deliver a message to such a large audience. He was also known to be able to use the newspaper media for beneficial publicity. His revolutionary preaching style shaped the way in which sermons were delivered. He was one of the fathers of Evangelicalism. He was certainly the best-known preacher in America in the 18th century, and because he travelled through all of the American colonies, and drew great crowds and media coverage, he was one of the most widely recognized public figures in America before George Washington.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Whitfield
 
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cygnusx1 said:
It has come to my attention over a period of time that "Calvinism" , "the Doctrines Of Grace" are almost universal , by that I don't mean all Christians accept these doctrines (I wish) but that almost all denominations have at one time or another moved amongst God's revealed Doctrines of Grace .

I am hoping for some input here , I would like brief succinct accounts of Denominational Leaders/Teachers who understood and believed these transcendental (above denominations) truths .

May I begin in a most unusual place .

1. Greek Orthodox .

Cyril lucaris (1572-1638)

"The Greek Orthodox Church was forever on the decline after the Great Schism on 1054. However, there were some bright lights at this time that arose with sound doctrine. Cyril Lucaris (c. 1572-1638) formulated a Confession of Faith in 1629. It was very Calvinistic and spoke heartily of predestination, the sole mediatorial work of Christ and justification by faith alone."

http://www.apuritansmind.com/HistoricalTheology/AdvancedHistoricalTheology/AHT-Part26Contours19th20thCenturyTheology.htm

Now if someone else would like to pic a denomination , and a Theolgian/Preacher / teacher who stands out in this way , please feel free ...........

Good Day

Great read:

http://www.cresourcei.org/creedcyril.html

Peace to u,

Bill
 
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Cyril lucaris (1572-1638)

that document you refer to is considered a forgery, and the whole episode was later repudiated at the council of jerusalem? i think it was

however the orthos reject,, any ortho here to make this come out better?
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any concept of merit in any way shape or form or any concept of being able to achieve salvation from any good work

but some theologians outside of the reformed tradition say basically the same thing, stated in different ways

hans kung the catholic theologian has some interesting things to say about justification by faith,,, for instance, that of course it is true


and from the liberal protestant side:
(if it was up to me the following would be posted in front of every preacher in america before they were allowed to say a word to an unsuspecting congregation,, )



If Jesus is the once and for all sacrifice for sin, understood metaphorically now, it means that God has already taken care of whatever it is that we think separates us from God. It means that God accepts us just as we are and that the Christian life is not about getting right with God. God's already taken care of that. The Christian life becomes about something else, namely, living within this framework of radical trust in God and relationship to God that makes possible our transformation, and, ideally and ultimately, the transformation of the world.
 
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julian the apostate said:
Cyril lucaris (1572-1638)

that document you refer to is considered a forgery, and the whole episode was later repudiated at the council of jerusalem? i think it was

however the orthos reject,, any ortho here to make this come out better?
,,
any concept of merit in any way shape or form or any concept of being able to achieve salvation from any good work

but some theologians outside of the reformed tradition say basically the same thing, stated in different ways

hans kung the catholic theologian has some interesting things to say about justification by faith,,, for instance, that of course it is true


and from the liberal protestant side:
(if it was up to me the following would be posted in front of every preacher in america before they were allowed to say a word to an unsuspecting congregation,, )



If Jesus is the once and for all sacrifice for sin, understood metaphorically now, it means that God has already taken care of whatever it is that we think separates us from God. It means that God accepts us just as we are and that the Christian life is not about getting right with God. God's already taken care of that. The Christian life becomes about something else, namely, living within this framework of radical trust in God and relationship to God that makes possible our transformation, and, ideally and ultimately, the transformation of the world.

I can fully understand why there might be rumours of forgery :D
But a few sources might help.

thanks :wave:
 
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It's a simple fact that if you are going to follow the Bible then you're going to have to at least address the doctrine of predestination since it is clearly taught in the Scripture.

I firmly believe that every major Christian denomination has some view of this, wether they accept Calvinism or not....
 
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Knight said:
It's a simple fact that if you are going to follow the Bible then you're going to have to at least address the doctrine of predestination since it is clearly taught in the Scripture.

I firmly believe that every major Christian denomination has some view of this, wether they accept Calvinism or not....

True , my main aim in this thread is to take a walk through History and see if God has shone His 'spotlight' far and wide , thus showing "Calvinism" is far from "a quaint old heresy" or a Doctrine we can ignore , or even hate.

So far I have posted 2 completely different denominations and shown God has declared these Truths to them ......... I will continue God Willing :wave:
 
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while this movement did not agree entirely with Reformed theology concerning Soteriology , it did however stress Predestination .......... and in the last place you would expect!

3. the Jansenists

specifically an influential member of A Roman Catholic Movement , within The Roman Catholic Church

Cornelius Otto Jansen



'History of the Jansenists

While French Calvinism is, relatively speaking, rather easily described, Jansenism is, in its various aspects, a rather difficult phenomenon to describe. It was for the most part a movement within the Roman Catholic church that, throughout the better part of the sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, looked to re-establish within the church of Rome the Augustinian belief in the total depravity of man, and the doctrine of predestination. The movement traces its most direct origins back to the Flemish theologian and bishop, Cornelius Otto Jansen. It would be incorrect, however, to say that Jansen founded the Jansenist movement. What Jansen himself was most directly responsible for was an exhaustive study of the doctrines of Augustine which were published post-humously in a book entitled Augustinius . The book was immediately accused of being Calvinistic in flavor, and among those Catholics who supported freewill and the humanist impulses of the sixteenth century (e.g., the Jesuits), it was harshly condemned. Although the movement began as a theological one, it would be incorrect to say that Jansenism was primarily concerned with theological problems, for in the eighteenth century, it would take on a distinctly political flavor. For this reason, this paper will look at Jansenism primarily in its early stages, before the term Jansenist was applied to any malcontent of the upper middle class.'

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2961/jansen1.htm
 
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