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The Mrs. White Assumption - A Dangerous Mindset!!
Part 1 of 2
Jeff Barron

I would like to focus on an important observation concerning the mindsets of so many Ellen G. White supporters; a mindset that keeps them in bondage to her and the church.
When I read all the emails we receive, I see both sides of the passionate defense of pro-and anti-Ellen White supporters. An upside of this is making new friends that have gone through the spiritual journey of realizing that Ellen G. White and the Seventh-day Adventist church which she helped start, is an overall dangerous spiritual environment to be active in.
It seems though that with all the upsides, there are the downsides. One of them is reading the emails of the unyielding defenders of Ellen G. White who have built their lives on the assumption that she is God’s authoritative Messenger of our time. At some point in their lives they made the decision that she is unequivocally inspired, and stopped testing her validity. I noticed this mindset amongst members very early on when I became a baptized member in the SDA church. These dedicated members with this mindset are quick to vehemently attack our characters and motives, call us satanic or Jesuits, assume the worst in us, and automatically classify us as a manipulative group even though they have not delved much into the site or know who we are. They could be the poster boys of the Pharisees that attacked Christ and His disciples. I believe they assume that God is on their side, even if we propose credible challenges to their claims when we reach out to them! If they seem to be not too fanatical or nutty, I assume the best and respond to these types of emails as well. It is sad when I try in a loving Christ-like manner to share pertinent, relevant, and biblically sound information in order for them to find out the truth for themselves, only to see them not consider anything that is contrary to their strongly held beliefs about Ellen G. White’s role, teachings, and influence. I am reminded constantly of the Biblical account of people automatically covering their ears to anything against their strong beliefs! I must say, the one thing that gives me hope is that a couple of them did not even realize they were behaving in this non-Christ-like manner until I pointed it out to them, and then they apologized. I was not surprised at their behavior at all, being that I came from the cultic environment of the SDA church. Again, I can say this because I am familiar with the attitudes and beliefs in many SDA churches. Thankfully, I know better that not every member in the church behaves as such!
When I reflect upon this cultic mindset I ask myself, “Why then, will people not let go of their belief that Ellen G. White is a direct messenger from God?” I suppose it is too complex to answer for each individual, as everyone is different. Perhaps they do not have strong reasoning skills, or may not really care as long as they are “part of something big”? I also wonder if their personality type could be one susceptible to being controlled by a strong influence from a charismatic or authoritative person, and/or group. It could even be an emotional connection from growing up in the church! Whatever the case be, the one thing I believe they all have in common is that they are working with the dangerous assumption that Ellen G. White is “God’s End-Time Messenger,” and this qualifies the Seventh-day Adventist Church as the “Remnant Church” from the Book of Revelation. WHY is this so dangerous to believe? It is simply not true since she fails the tests of a prophet. She does not pass the Biblical qualifications to be a direct messenger from God who had visions and prophecies! Their false assumption that she is the Spirit of Prophecy of Revelation is most likely based upon false information, and allows them to journey deeper into the pro-Ellen White environment that will lead them to dire spiritual, social, financial, and, even possibly, health consequences! It is just a matter of time before these negative consequences become apparent in the member’s life, whether they are aware of it or not.
THIS MINDSET IS THE KEY TO UNDERSTANDING HOW THE SDA CHURCH IS A CULT
In the “Big Picture,” all anyone needs to identify the dangers of Ellen G. White and the Seventh-day Adventist church she helped create and guide as a cult, is the church’s dependency on her role and teachings. The church needs Mrs. White’s role and teachings in order to be the Seventh-day Adventist End-Time Remnant Movement, just as the Roman Catholic Church needs the role of the Pope to “prove” that they hold the keys of heaven by right of succession of the apostle Peter!! What about the Mormon’s Joseph Smith role, or the Church of Christ Scientist’s Mary Eddy Baker? Would those denominations still be the same or still have the same mission without them??? Hands down: NO!! This essentially means that she in her own way takes the place of Christ as head of the church because she is required as a authoritative “guide” in most cases before someone can just use the Bible and pray to our Father in Heaven for inner guidance. This is the same with these other prophets, or the politically correct “God’s chosen!” If you are an Adventist who just read that and do not think this is the case, I challenge you to step back and look at the big picture and see if this is practiced constantly in the church. I am not arguing what is going on in the heart of a believer in ANY of the denominations; it is the doctrine, the creed, the importance of these leaders/founders in their governing body!
A good example of this is the many times I asked my SDA pastor (whom baptized me) questions about Bible doctrine. He would at times, when baffled, reply to me, “I will have to research what other authorities say on the scriptures in question.” From the way that he and other members publicly consistently practiced this mindset, I knew immediately that he was going to reference Ellen G. White’s writings. Again, this is an example of a DEPENDANCY on a charismatic or authoritative person. This is a biblical no-no as the apostle Paul himself passionately taught us not to get caught up in the prophets, or a direct messenger such as himself in this manner (even though they proved themselves approved from God). Paul says, “What I mean is this: One of you says, ‘I follow Paul’; another, ‘I follow Apollos’; another, ‘I follow Cephas’; still another, ‘I follow Christ.’ Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?” 1 Corinthians 1:12, 13. (NIV)
And:
“For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.” 1 Corinthians 1:17 (NIV)
When it comes to questioning if the SDA church is a cult or not, it is as simple as the answer to this question concerning the role of Mrs. White’s utter influence, “Can you have a functioning Seventh-day Adventist Denomination WITHOUT Ellen G. White’s influence?” The answer is NO. One cannot be subjective about this. It is in the SDA doctrinal books and baptismal vows. It is the mission of the church to spread the unique message spawned by Ellen G. White’s visions. She and other members can claim until they are blue in the face that it is Christ’s church alone, and perhaps it could function without her. But realistically, this cannot happen because the very foundation of the movement is based on her works and life! Just read a copy of the Great Controversy and compare the teachings within it with the church doctrines and you will see clearly the dilemma. Taking her out of the church would mean that it would no longer be God’s End-Time Remnant church in the denomination’s eyes, because she is a sign of the source of its mission since she embodies the “Spirit of Prophecy.”

http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/corner.htm
 

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Night, I'm not supprised to see that you find this interesting. Unfortunately the poor soul who wrote this is quite misgiuded.

By you posting this in a place where anyone who may stop by can read it, and it's misinformation, it would seem to me that you are only going to drive a deeper wedge between SDAs and non-SDAs. It would also seem that this kind of posting will drive others away from Christ rather than attracting them to Him.

Doc
 
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Night, I'm not suprised to see that you find this interesting.

Nice veiled flame. Just what I like to see in a mod.

Unfortunately the poor soul who wrote this is quite misguided.

According to you.

By you posting this in a place where anyone who may stop by can read it, and it's misinformation,

No it's not. It's reality.

it would seem to me that you are only going to drive a deeper wedge between SDAs and non-SDAs.

I have no such agenda and I'll thank you for not attributing it to me.

I seek answers. I could care less about causing a wedge between SDA's and nons. Those wedges are already there and they don't go away just because we ignore them.

It would also seem that this kind of posting will drive others away from Christ rather than attracting them to Him.

It will do no such thing. What hogwash.

I am not afraid to seek answers to the problem areas facing our church, nor am I afraid of bringing the issues out in the open to deal with. Neither you or anyone else will stop me from my pursuit of the truth.

There is enough duplicity, obscurantism and suppressed information going on in the organization, I will be darned if I will let it happen in our area.

We value free speech here and we will discuss the issues here wether you like it or not.

You have no authourity in here, so you might as well save yourself some time and not bother with the attempted censorship.

I am so far past the whole 'ostrich sticking its head in the sand' phase, you have no idea.
 
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I am so far past the whole 'ostrich sticking its head in the sand' phase, you have no idea.

Yes, we've had quite enough of that. There are issues that need to be dealt with, and it won't drive seekers away from Christ to see His followers studying and trying to find truth, no matter what the cost to them personally. If Adventist beliefs are really "the truth," they will stand the test of investigation. If not, wouldn't we be better off in the long term knowing that rather than living under a delusion?

I ignored many of my questions on Adventist doctrines for a long time because I didn't want to deal with the possibility that what I had been taught my whole life could be wrong, but I finally couldn't ignore them any longer if I wanted to read Scripture honestly.
 
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Night, I'm not supprised to see that you find this interesting. Unfortunately the poor soul who wrote this is quite misgiuded.

By you posting this in a place where anyone who may stop by can read it, and it's misinformation, it would seem to me that you are only going to drive a deeper wedge between SDAs and non-SDAs. It would also seem that this kind of posting will drive others away from Christ rather than attracting them to Him.

Doc

You've correctly identified the major fruit of the Subversives' agenda.
 
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Night, I'm not supprised to see that you find this interesting. Unfortunately the poor soul who wrote this is quite misgiuded.

By you posting this in a place where anyone who may stop by can read it, and it's misinformation, it would seem to me that you are only going to drive a deeper wedge between SDAs and non-SDAs. It would also seem that this kind of posting will drive others away from Christ rather than attracting them to Him.

Doc
Where do you think this person is misguided? If you want to express a believable position you have to express the what and why's rather then simply condemn. Point to the area's where the writer is wrong and why. I don't think you can do it. You might say yes the church can give up EGW and I would agree with you it could but it would not be the same church it would have grown in my opinion yet even there it is only our speculation whether you think it would grow or shrink would be mere speculation unless you can back up your position with reasons.

The author tried to give his reasons. Surely the critic such as Doc could try to give reasons also.
 
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You value free speech for those who agree with you--you report all others.
There is probably very little truth in that statement so why was it posted? Does Night really report All who disagree with him...to what purpose nobody is going to do anything because a report says that person disagrees with me.

Honestly if you can't express yourself with a reasoned argument what is your purpose here?
 
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