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Interacial Marriage

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Nope... Moses did, Joseph did, and the list goes on... It is however not beneficial to marry one who is not of the same faith, because it is hard to be in step with your partner, when you believe they are heading the wrong direction.
 
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If I may say,

Much of the links you gave were really hollow in real addressment of scripture - and there are many others out there which do excellent jobs of covering the scriptures which you may need to investigate in order to be caught up better on the matter. It seemed like you chose the above links without either looking into the matter for counter-balance..or being aware that there were already excellent counter-arguments on addressing the matter whenever others tend to offer arguments that have a racist ideology they don't even realize.

For some good articles to investigate which may help you, I'd suggest the following:

Here in the South, the issue of interacial relationships is a BIG DEAL - and ironic that so many are against it in light of how frequent it was in the scriptures whenever you had others of many differing ethnicities and they often united together in the Lord. It was never about ethnicity alone - but rather, it was about religion. For whenever someone was for a religious view the Lord hated, that's where you'd see God saying "Do not marry them" - but many examples are present where the Lord supported others being married from differing ethnicities. The Line of Yeshua is full of them

One of the resources you sited in the quote I had from you was from Finis Dake -.. Finis Jennings Dake, to be specific..who is author of the pentecostal Bible.. And I wanted to comment on the history behind the individual since I grew up with it when it came to the Word of Faith Movement.

Hagin, who Price supports, had a book called "What to do when Faith Seems Weak and Victory Lost." The book was based on a sermon outline that Dake had in his book "God's Plan for Man" titled "Ten Things to Do When Faith Seems Weak and Victory Lost." Hagin gave Dake full credit for the outline in the intro of the book. Hagin and others have used Dake's teachings extensively......and some of this goes back to the issue of how WOF was developed from the practice of studying other sources. Hagin preached a number of sermons from other sources...with an example being Kenyon's sermons which were trascribed later. It was a normal practice of that time, no different than what happens with many today in Reformed theology when they're constantly regurgitating Calvin, Jonathan Edwards, John Piper, RC Sproul, etc. Most today did not come to their Calvinistic conclusions by simply studying Scripture....as they were influenced by men and they preached what they preached, many times word for word.

There are no quotes by Dake calling himself WoF, though other examples of him being connected with WOF would be seen in how the autobiography of Dake that was written by Leon Bible has a forward in it by Marylin Hickey where she talks about the times that Dake came to preach at their church. Hickey is WoF...and thus, with Dake preaching in her church, there's some connection with Dake and the WoF. Add to the fact that Dake Bible Sales company sells books by many Word Faith teachers as well...and so because of all of that, the WOF welcome Dake to the WoF family.

Most WoF use his material...and I remember when Fred Price stepped down from Rhema Bible School due to what he percieved to racisim being promoted within his work. Dr. Fred Price boycotted it and made an entire series against Dake which accuses him of racism. During the late nineties, Dr. Fredrick K. C. Price gave a three year study entitled “Racism in the pentecostal Church” (more found here) in which he cited the Dake’s Bible and sought to expose the many racial slurs Mr. Dake included in his Bible. Fredrick Price also made a book on the issue entitled Race, Religion & Racism: Perverting the Gospel to subjugate a people -.

In the Dakes Bible, there's one part containing the statements he said under "30 reasons for segregation of races." in page 159 of the New Testament....and of course, some of what he noted is understandable. For seventy-five years ago, when Finis Dake was alive, racism was much more accepted (tolerated) than it is today. . And Dake wrote his KJV with notes in 1954, as well as being born and raised in Georgia.

Moreover, most whites in the early part of the 1900s were racist by our current standards....and some still have aspects of that in their vocabularly. I recall being in one church fellowhship where another elderly white lady was talking to me about Jesus---and though she was noting how much the Word says we should love each other, I was shocked to see how she still called blacks the "N" Word and thought nothing of it (i.e. "God loves all who come to him in faith...and I think 'ni**ers' are some of the sweetest people ever"). All I could do was smile and nod at her comment, seeing that I was one of the few black people at the fellowship---and I thought that as much as she had changed, there were still many things that'd be difficult to change when growing up in a certain era. Dake was probably no different.


As it concerns the notes, older versions from 1987 and on to the late 90's has the 30 items in question. They are notes for Acts 17:26. However, the 1997 Computer version of Dakes does not have these notes since they have been replaced with a "toned down" version. For the sake of informational perposes, I decided to place it up here (as I saved them from back in the day):
Dake Charts »Front Matter »Summary of Acts

Acts 17:26

a[one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth]


Separation in Scripture

This verse says God made "all nations of men" from "one blood"; it also speaks of "the bounds of their habitation." In spite of a common ancestry, from Adam first and later Noah, it was God's will for man to scatter over the earth, to "be fruitful, and multiply" (Genesis 1:28; Genesis 8:17; Genesis 9:1). Man's failure to obey caused God to confuse his language (Genesis 11:1-9) and to physically separate the nations by dividing the earth into continents (Genesis 10:25). Both physically and spiritually, separation has been a consistent theme for God's people:

1. Separation for Messiah's line:

(1) Before and after Noah's flood, fallen angels (sons of God in § Genesis 6:1-4, notes) married human women and had giant offspring. This was done to corrupt the human race and prevent the birth of the Messiah, the Seed of the woman prophesied in Genesis 3:15.

(2) Destruction of the corrupt human race was the reason for the flood in Noah's day. See note, § Genesis 6.

(3) God preserved Noah because he and his family were the only pure Adamites left. See note, § Genesis 6:9.

(4) Satan continually tried to prevent Messiah's birth by corrupting Israel through intermarriage with Canaanites whose race included giant offspring. One reason for Israel's separation as a nation was to preserve their purity for the birth of the Messiah. See note, § Genesis 24:3.


2. Separation in Israel:

(1) Abraham forbade Eliezer to take a Canaanite wife for Isaac (Genesis 24:1-4). God was pleased and He directed whom to get (Genesis 24:7-67).

(2) Isaac forbade Jacob to take a Canaanite wife (Genesis 27:46-28:7).

(3) Abraham sent the sons of his concubines and his second wife far away from Isaac so their descendants would not mix (Genesis 25:1-6).

(4) Esau's disobedience deeply grieved his parents (Genesis 25:28; Genesis 26:34-35; Genesis 27:46; Genesis 28:8-9).

(5) Two branches of Isaac remain separate forever (Genesis 36; Genesis 46:8-26).

(6) Ishmael's and Isaac's descendants remain separate forever (Genesis 25:12-23; 1 Chron. 1:29).

(7) God forbade Israel to intermarry (Exodus 34:12-16; Deut. 7:3-6).

(8) Intermarriage caused disunity among God's people (Numbers 12).

(9) Enemies remained in the land as a penalty for this (Joshua 23:12-13).

(10) Intermarriage caused a curse on Israel (Judges 3:6-7; Numbers 25:1-8).

(11) This was Solomon's sin (1 Kings 11).

(12) It was a sin of Jews returning from Babylon (Ezra 9; Ezra 10; Neh. 13).

(13) God told Israel to be separated (Leviticus 20:24; Numbers 23:9; 1 Kings 8:53).

(14) Jews are recognized as a separate people in all ages because of God's choice (Matthew 10:6; John 1:11).

(15) Separation between Jews and all other nations is to remain in eternity (Isaiah 2:2-4; Ezekiel 37; Ezekiel 47:13-48:35; Zech. 14:16-21; Matthew 19:28; Luke 1:32-33; Rev. 7:1-8; Rev. 14:1-5).

(16) Certain people in Israel were not to worship with others (Deut. 23:1-3; Ezra 10:8; Neh. 9:2; Neh. 10:28; Neh. 13:3).


3. Miscellaneous separation:

(1) An ox and an *** could not be worked together (Deut. 22:10).

(2) Stock was forbidden to be bred with other kinds (Leviticus 19:19).

(3) Sowing mixed seed in the same field was unlawful (Leviticus 19:19).

(4) Different seeds were forbidden to be planted in vineyards (Deut. 22:9).

(5) Wearing garments of mixed fabrics forbidden (Deut. 22:11; Leviticus 19:19).

4. Christian separation: Christians to be separate from certain people at times (Matthew 18:15-17; 1 Cor. 5:9-13; 1 Cor. 6:15; 2 Cor. 6:14-18; 2 Thes. 3:6,14; 1 Tim. 6:5; 2 Tim. 3:5).__________________

Of course, to reiterate, I do not agree with most of the interpretation of these verses...as I just happen to have the notes and am providing them for the purposes of this discussion.

Minus the fact that much of the interpretation in terms of racist/ethnocentric views is wrong and needs to be addressed on the principal of the matter, it makes sense for Price to do as he did since Fred Price was a graduate of Rhema Bible School and a world famous WORD of FAITH teacher....and as other Charismatic and Pentecostal ministers ignored the racist remarks in Dakes Bible for over 50 years, something needed to be said....just as it was with other camps who had the same issue, such as John Weslely denouncing others like Jonathan Edwards for actively supporting the institution of slavery---despite Edwards being a remarkable theologian and renouned for his "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" and helping start the Great Awakening Revival


Price's work entitled "Race, Religion & Racism, Vol. 1: A Bold Encounter With Division in the Church" went into great depth discussing the historic lies propagated in the church that Blacks were inherently inferior and therefore needed to be segregated from Whites, particularly from white women..and he also went into great depth showing how authors such as Charles Carroll and Bible scholars Cyrus Ingerson Scofield and Finis Jennings Dake used the Bible to justify separation/segregation. I appreciated what Brother Price noted when it comes to the reality that neither color or ethnicity matter with God. ...and ESPECICALLY in regards to marriage, I appreciated how Price sought to show that Gods only prohibition regarding marriage is whether a believer is joined with someone who is not a believer. Dake Family Publishing agreed to allow Dr. Leon Bible to rewrite Dake’s and remove the racial slurs that were in review. However, the newer Dake’s Bible that others have seen do not mention the revision (As I'm aware)

With Price and his series on racism, it had many far reaching ramifications---as he noted comments by others regarding interracial dating and marriage as being wrong, such as those he pointed out made by Kenneth Hagin, Jr., the son of his own mentor. And as Price made clear, Sunday mornings are still the most segregated time in America...and historic problems such as slavery and segregation could never have existed without the consent of the Church--nor is it possible for seperation in churches/differing ethnic groups to continue today without the Church saying its okay.
 
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Concerning Dake's ideologies...


As a Black Hispanic, I can say that I happen to enjoy many of the teachings in Dake's books...and I must stand by Fred Price's criticism of Dake and others who made racist statements, even though I can still appreciate Dake for what he is. Martin Luther, held up as one of the poster boys for the need for Reformational Thought, was quite anti-semitic in many of his written works. Some of his writings were even used by Hitler to justify his heinous actions toward the Jews, with many in the church going with it. But I won't reject all that Luther taught because of this flaw. Thus, while I am certainly bothered by the ridiculous statements made by Dake on some racial issues, I would be a fool to just toss away the good along with the bad. If that be the case then I must be fair and toss away all of Pentecostal beliefs and all of Protestant beliefs---as well as most everything.

We're all mutts---and even that which we may hate sometimes can have connections with us we can be glad for.

Growing up in the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement, this was something that was really big for me---especially when it came to going to a multi-cultural church and having other whites note how much of a problem it was to see biracial relationships shunned....or Pentecostals denying the ways that Pentecostalism has taken on differing formations in various ethnic circles. The example of William Seymour always comes to mind, seeing how he was treated. For Charles Parham was one of the great figures within the Pentecostal movement, with his viewpoint helping to influence the Pentecostal Revival beginning in the early 20th century. He was also one that greatly influened William Seymour, yet Parham would not even let Seymour into the classroom full of white students because Seymour was BLACK. Nonetheless, Seymour was NOT going to let Parham's racism stop him from receiving the insights into God's Word that Parham was given. ....and instead of walking away, he chose to listen outside of the classroom window/gain what he could.

For more info, one can go online and investigate the following under their respective titles:



Something noteworthy to consider is that it seems God used SEYMOUR and not Parham to begin the Azusa Street revival. ..and in the event that it wasn't known, Parham was a KKK sympathizer. But that's another issue...
 
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So what does god said on discrimination against someone based on race or gender? How does this happen? Me and My friend often joke that the south is always going backwards. In fact many still have segregation laws still in their books
Torah states that we are not to discriminate based on race or nationality, see Lev 19:34, cf Ex 12:49, Lev 24:44, Num 9:14, 15:15,19.
 
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I would think that if mixing of people groups was a problem then you would find that there would be no birth to come out of the unions, however, My family is living proof that the Union is Holy. My wife is Sudanese/Moroccan/German, and I am Norman-Saxon. No I wasn't born Jewish, but I did convert in the late Nineties to Chasidic Judaism.
My wife and I have 4 very beautiful, very healthy children. They are each wonderful, and amazing, and I can see in them the verse that says I am wonderfully and fearfully made.
If the union between people of different people groups was sin, such as the union between a person and a horse, then it would produce no offspring.
 
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Than why do there beliefs start?
When people want to be racist, they'll find any reason to do so and make things up to justify it. There's really no other simpler way of saying it nor is it complicated due to the nature of fallen man...as that has been the way things have gone for a very long time, sadly.

It is what it is and one can't read too deeply into it or miss the obvious.
 
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These beliefs are bread out of hatred. The same kind of beliefs that are antisemitic. The same kind of beliefs that say you should be able to kill a black man/woman for mouthing off to a white man/woman. The same kind of beliefs that lead to the Catholic church banning the practice and study of Talmud/Torah in most of Europe in the dark ages. It is bread from hatred, and ignorance.
The current reason that many believe that interracial marriage is a sin, is that Black men and women were once slaves in this country. They were treated like animals, and many of the people who owned them treated them as such. There were groups that taught that the Black man/woman was a beast of burden, after the emancipation, and therefore had no soul. The problem with this logic was that it didn't stop the more militant of them from raping the black women. In fact even during slavery they were raped.
The Irish were treated the same way, and many of the groups believed the Irish, as well had no soul. This being said, enter in the 21st century, and this propaganda has entered into mainstream thought. Even though many of the ones calling for no interracial marriage would never think of the opposite race as superior/inferior to the other, they still hold the taboo against it. So, in essence they are forwarding the propaganda to the next generation. The reasoning is vast but it is all unfounded, and if you go to enough places you will find it more prevalent in some areas of the world than here. It is only taboo in places with segregation/apartheid.
 
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