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Inter-denominational Eucharist - Official Position?

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The canons in the UK and Australia require the visitors to be baptised, and to normally be communicant members of their home churches.

I don't really see the big deal.

Communion is about relationships with one another (the Peace and sharing) and about relationship with God.

If there is some magic formula that has not happened, then so be it. The relationships with one another will still be repaired, and God will do his will with the relationships with him.

There is just too much sentiment here about who is 'good enough' to receive. Well, actually, none of us is good enough, so no one should be on any kind of high horse.
 
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I am not going to try to defend your views. I am sorry that you appear to lack intrinsic motivation to do the right thing, and prefer to be told what to do.

Ok now :D

I think it has more to do with ecclesiology than with Gurney's lack of desire to do the right thing! As in, it's better for a Church to affirm its own belief and practice as right, and to pass that affirmation on to its members. This is definitely a real challenge for Anglicans, given the fact that we have such a variety of beliefs present! :D
 
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Ok now :D

I think it has more to do with ecclesiology than with Gurney's lack of desire to do the right thing! As in, it's better for a Church to affirm its own belief and practice as right, and to pass that affirmation on to its members. This is definitely a real challenge for Anglicans, given the fact that we have such a variety of beliefs present! :D

Not in my wing of the church. We are taught what scripture says and means, and then it is up to us to decide how to put this into action in a practical sense - prayerfully, in the power of the holy spirit.

It would be quite wrong for us to be commanded by our vicar as to what to do.

It is very sad to hear that some christians do not follow this model.
 
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Not in my wing of the church. We are taught what scripture says and means, and then it is up to us to decide how to put this into action in a practical sense - prayerfully, in the power of the holy spirit.

It would be quite wrong for us to be commanded by our vicar as to what to do.

It is very sad to hear that some christians do not follow this model.


That is very interesting! I guess I don't mean that it's good to be told what to do...it's just comforting to know that greater theological minds and authorities can be trusted. All I mean is this: in the areas where my conscience is silent and where interpretation of Holy Scripture is unclear, I can fall back on the wisdom of the Church's leaders that God has raised up. I think it's a little different from being told what to do or think. I certainly hope it doesn't come across that way. :) I definitely rely on Scripture and the Holy Spirit to guide my life. In cases where I don't know what to do, I hope that same Spirit will guide my bishop and priests (as He guided great theologians in the past)!
 
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I have taken communion in the Methodist, Roman Catholic, Anglican, Episcopal, and even the Mormon churches, and for me I remember my Savior Jesus Christ and what He did on the cross. The Methodists used grape juice and the Mormons used water. Each communion service was unique and special.
 
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I have taken communion in the Methodist, Roman Catholic, Anglican, Episcopal, and even the Mormon churches, and for me I remember my Savior Jesus Christ and what He did on the cross. The Methodists used grape juice and the Mormons used water. Each communion service was unique and special.

Don't Mormons have closed communion?
 
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Don't Mormons have closed communion?
Good question - when I attended this service in 1974 (I think I'm pretty old now), everyone who attended the service participated and I was not blocked from doing so; I was however, the guest of a mormon friend who had a good reputation in his ward.
 
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I don't really see the big deal.

Communion is about relationships with one another (the Peace and sharing) and about relationship with God.

If there is some magic formula that has not happened, then so be it. The relationships with one another will still be repaired, and God will do his will with the relationships with him.

There is just too much sentiment here about who is 'good enough' to receive. Well, actually, none of us is good enough, so no one should be on any kind of high horse.
I don't feel like debating whether the canons are correct or not, I'm just pointing out what the canon law (ie the official position) is.

I think they are correct - baptism is the sacrament of initiation into the Gods people and the eucharist is their meal. Baptism ought to prefers communion. The early church did not even allow the non baptized to be present. But I'm not going to get upset about those who feel differently so long as they've thought through the issue.
 
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How so? THis is not the policy of the Catholic Church.

When Basil Hume wrote to Tony Blair in 96 to ask him to stop receiving communion in a Catholic Church in England, he said that it was “all right to do so when in Tuscany for the holidays . . . as there was no Anglican church near by.”
 
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I think that if we use the word "eucharist" instead of "communion", we get a different perspective. To me, the sacrament is much more than fellowship with members of the local church, or our denomination. If the sacrament were about fellowship, then one could decide whether one wanted it to be fellowship with the local church, with those who they accepted as being part of the universal church. Even under this paradigm, I think that Anglicans have it right. All validly baptized are part of the body of Christ.

The eucharist is not fellowship. The word means thanksgiving. It is about the invisible body of Christ uniting with the visible body of Christ, with the Cross and with all eucharists since the beginning. We re-live (the Jewish concept of remembrance) the cross. Jesus is NOT crucified again. We present ourselves as an acceptable and living sacrifice and we are all made one with His crucifixion.

For me, we receive the body, blood, soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. For me that is what the prayer of consecration is about. Indeed, we are what we pray, and this has been the prayer from the beginning. HOWEVER, the mechanism, the transformation is NOT all that important to me. We all become on with (commune) with the body and blood of Jesus. Lutherans have their paradigm, Catholics have theirs, Othodox have their paradigm, protestants have theirs. Anglicans and Methodists generally ignore the theology.

What is critical is that after we receive, we are united with Christ and the Cross. We have received our spiritual food at the Lord's table, at the thanksgiving feast.

To me it is abhorrent to refuse a seat at the Lord's Table to baptized Christians who are visiting our local churches. It is not our Table. It is the Lord's Table, the thanksgiving feast.
 
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Wesley being consecrated the Presbyterate doesn't make him an espiskopos (bishop) so therefore he lacked the ability to ordain anyone himself. Presbyter ordination is a dubious and ahistorical practice that cannot transmit holy orders. Methodists absolutely do NOT have apostolic succession. They never wanted it to begin with.

Someone may have already said this, but I am under the impression that methodists do have apostolic succession. "John Wesley was consecrated to the Presbyterate in 1724 by the Bishop of Oxford." -
 
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How so? THis is not the policy of the Catholic Church.

It is hard for a Priest to verify if someone who aproaches Communion is or not in state of grace unless such one has a public reputation of not beeing in communion with the Church, I find it hard that a priest could deny communion to one who request it. at least I have never seen such thing in my country.
 
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I'm going to sneak in a grab the sheet and put that on the top! If only I could get it printed in the bulletin :D

Do you think the ladies will agree about 'everyone may'? Will they get to approve the barrage of volunteers?
 
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Do you think the ladies will agree about 'everyone may'? Will they get to approve the barrage of volunteers?

Actually there are rules about that. Brunch like stuff on the first Sunday *only*. And the Ladies usually sign up for those so anyone who wants to cook is out of luck. The rest of the Sundays, light snack food only, so that people will not be too "intimidated" to do coffee hour. And there are two laminated, full page typewritten instructions on how to do coffee hour, down to taking the towels home to wash and return. That weeds out a lot of the coffee hour lightweights right there. :cool:
 
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