Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
3n1, I agree with that biblical view, despite denominational lines and other traditions of men, if we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and He is our personal Lord and Savior, then we are brothers and sisters, the Church, and a royal preisthood.
I also believe that to read the bible word for word with total logic and no feelings(as I am told I should control), that we are making a mistake because God is not totally logic like science......He has feelings. To be spiritual is to have feelings and to quelch those feelings because of words and logic, is to kill the spirit.
Total logic, word for word is one extreme and total feelings is the other extreme. It is obsessions and extremes that Jesus called sins. IMHO
So you think that the Catholic Church is the only House of the Lord. Too bad. Last I heard, Jesus is everywhere, God is everywhere, in every Church that accepts Jesus as Savior. Do you think Catholics are the only ones who accept Jesus as our Savior. The House of the Lord is wherever the Lord chooses to be and sometimes I think it just might not be the Catholic Church. Pride goeth before the fall.
THE ONLY HOUSE OF THE LORD?
Where two or more gather in my name I will be there!
I do not deny that Christ is in your midst when you gather together.
However It was Christ who said:- "Peter you are a ROCK and upon this ROCK i will BUILD MY CHURCH "
"Anyone who listens to these words of mine will be like a WISE man who BUILT HIS HOUSE on the ROCK"
INRI2 However It was Christ who said:- "Peter you are a ROCK and upon this [U said:ROCK[/U] i will BUILD MY CHURCH "
"Anyone who listens to these words of mine will be like a WISE man who BUILT HIS HOUSE on the ROCK"
I'd say that is a huge stretch and the comment from the parable is well out of context.
I may have to visit the Catholic forum to gain more understanding on how they justify their beliefs.
I have yet to figure out what Peter the Rock has to do with the Catholic Church. I am told he was the first pope and that he was the first in the line of popes to the Catholic Church today. But popes are chosen by people, chosen, not a born line of popes. Popes, Peters could be chosen to any church. Always man chosen, man made, always claimed to be of God. The only link I can see between the pope today and Peter the Rock is that they are men. Peter was chosen by God, all other popes were CHOSEN by MEN according to whatever those men wanted to support. And that is just what I think not a statement to cover all of history.
It was not from a parable but the sermon on the mount.
I dont happen to think its a huge strech to believe that Christ built a church on earth, I think it is clear from scripture that he did.
As for the part taken from the sermon on the mount, i see it as a clear reference to Christ (the wise man) building his church (House) on the Rock (Peter)
I think Christ is saying anyone who hears my words and acts on them will be like Christ and put his trust in the office of St Peter.
And that those foolish men who build their house on sand (not the office of St Peter) will be like those who do not listen to his words or act on them
I think thats a good Idea.
Well first of all Pope linus was appointed by St Peter himself, I am not sure how many succesors to the office of St Peter were appointed this way before the system where the cardinals appointed by the pope go into the conclave and pray for the holy spirit to guide them to choose one from among them. So in effect the pope that succeeds the last pope has already been choosen by the pope and the appostolic succesion continues, From St Peter and Pope Linus right through to Pope Benedict XVI they have been choosen by through a long line of succesion back to Christ himself, Christ appointed Peter, Peter appointed linus so on and so forth, the conclave just allows the holy spirit to play a bigger part.
finally we have the promise of Christ that the office of Peter would be preserved by Christ himself from Evil
"the gates of hell shall not prevail against it"
To be fair that is enough for me, if Christ says it i believe it.
Well first of all Pope linus was appointed by St Peter himself, I am not sure how many succesors to the office of St Peter were appointed this way before the system where the cardinals appointed by the pope go into the conclave and pray for the holy spirit to guide them to choose one from among them. So in effect the pope that succeeds the last pope has already been choosen by the pope and the appostolic succesion continues, From St Peter and Pope Linus right through to Pope Benedict XVI they have been choosen by through a long line of succesion back to Christ himself, Christ appointed Peter, Peter appointed linus so on and so forth, the conclave just allows the holy spirit to play a bigger part.
finally we have the promise of Christ that the office of Peter would be preserved by Christ himself from Evil
"the gates of hell shall not prevail against it"
To be fair that is enough for me, if Christ says it i believe it.
Christ certainly did build a Church on earth, and it is all who believe in Him, not people that follow any one denomination. To draw such lines is arrogant and divisive when unity is called for.
Furthermore, we are never encouraged to follow men other than Jesus Himself.
You are contradicting yourself, you call for unity, yet you demand more than one denomination. How can their be unity when one denomination calls homosexuality abhorant and another calls it fine, How can their be unity when one denomination says Abortion is a sin and another says its fine. How can their be unity when one denomination says women pastors are fine and another says it is against scripture. How can their be unity when when one denomination says The eucharist is symbolic and another says it is the actual flesh and blood of Christ, There is not denominations within the catholic faith but one church united by the office of St Peter based on the promise of Christ, in the protestant faith their are thousands of denominations all teaching different things. To me this proves to me that protestant faith is flawed since it is unity that Christ called for and protestantism is full of disunity.
Every catholic must confrom and submit themselves to the doctrines of the RCC evey catholic is in full unity in what they believe, otherwise they are not catholic but protesting catholic doctrine (protestants)
By following the appostolic church in particualr the office of St Peter I am following Jesus Himself because it was Jesus who told us to.
"whoever listens to you listens to me, whoever rejects you rejects me also"
Where is "pope" or Linus in the Bible? I only found one reference to Linus, in 2 Tim 4:21 and it is simply a name of a believer.
You are contradicting yourself, you call for unity, yet you demand more than one denomination. How can their be unity when one denomination calls homosexuality abhorant and another calls it fine, How can their be unity when one denomination says Abortion is a sin and another says its fine. How can their be unity when one denomination says women pastors are fine and another says it is against scripture. How can their be unity when when one denomination says The eucharist is symbolic and another says it is the actual flesh and blood of Christ, There is not denominations within the catholic faith but one church united by the office of St Peter based on the promise of Christ, in the protestant faith their are thousands of denominations all teaching different things. To me this proves to me that protestant faith is flawed since it is unity that Christ called for and protestantism is full of disunity.
Every catholic must confrom and submit themselves to the doctrines of the RCC evey catholic is in full unity in what they believe, otherwise they are not catholic but protesting catholic doctrine (protestants)
By following the appostolic church in particualr the office of St Peter I am following Jesus Himself because it was Jesus who told us to.
"whoever listens to you listens to me, whoever rejects you rejects me also"
There can be unity without one religion trying to devour all the rest. If we all have to be just one person in order to have unity, then unity is a falacy. Unity comes from working together not all becoming one person. Even the trinity is three, yeah one but three....quite different than one and only one. We are all God's church, not just one of us.
Where is martin luther or Calvin or the word Trinity?
The bible only makes up part of our single deposit of faith, as well as sacred scripture we have sacred traditon, the new testiment is a product of sacred tradition, we would not have the bible if we did not have sacred tradition, the word Trinity is from Catholic sacred tradition.
Yes we are called to be one person, the body of christ, we are individual parts of the one body, but if the leg is disjointed the whole body feels the pain, so no it is not a fallacy we are called to be one person.... the body of christ in the world.
Those divisions are created by men, as are denominations. I cannot deny the unity in the RCC, however, I can not support all its teachings...praying to Mary and the saints, the authority granted to the pope, and the elitist view of priesthood, for some examples.
Please share the reference you just quoted from Christ
and any references to a pope. I'd truly like to see where you're coming from so I can understand and we can discuss this all fairly.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?