Intelligent Design

[Sheila Davis]

Tracking Brain's "Wave of Death": New Insights into Neural End-of-Life - Neuroscience News

Their study reveals that during anoxia, or oxygen deprivation, the brain undergoes a series of changes, including a massive release of glutamate and a surge in gamma and beta waves, potentially linked to near-death experiences.

neurosciencenews.com

 

[Say it aint so]

I'm lost?

 

[Occams Barber]

Tracking Brain's "Wave of Death": New Insights into Neural End-of-Life - Neuroscience News

Their study reveals that during anoxia, or oxygen deprivation, the brain undergoes a series of changes, including a massive release of glutamate and a surge in gamma and beta waves, potentially linked to near-death experiences.

neurosciencenews.com

I don't see how this article relates to your "There is a Creator" thread title?

The article shows that the so called near-death-experience has a natural explanation. It's a product of oxygen deprivation in neurons.

OB

 

[ThatRobGuy]

There's a disconnect between the thread title and the subject matter of the article

Wanna give us a hint as to how the bodily reaction of releasing glutamate (the chemical that's also linked to schizophrenia; a condition in which people see and hear things that aren't real) during oxygen deprivation links to the assertion "there is a creator"?

 

[Sheila Davis]

There's a disconnect between the thread title and the subject matter of the article

Wanna give us a hint as to how the bodily reaction of releasing glutamate (the chemical that's also linked to schizophrenia; a condition in which people see and hear things that aren't real) during oxygen deprivation links to the assertion "there is a creator"?

Always take the

I'm lost?

It boils down to intelligent design and I thought about it and I changed the title.
I would think that a Christian would understand the title there is a creator _ reading what happens solely concerning the human brain at death.
Scientists pinpoint 'wave of death' that happens as consciousness ends Scientists pinpoint 'wave of death' that happens as consciousness ends

 

[Pommer]

Always take the

It boils down to intelligent design and I thought about it and I changed the title.

The brain dies when it doesn’t get oxygen?
That’s some design!

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Always take the

It boils down to intelligent design and I thought about it and I changed the title.

Always take the....... what?

And how does it boil down to intelligent design? (which is essentially the same assertion as "there is a creator", there wasn't really a need to change the title, they imply the same thing)

I'll make an educated guess, and guess that what you're suggesting is that the body releasing chemicals that "lessen" or "mask" the the worst sensations of dying are evidence of a design feature that help people cope with dying?

As noted before, the body releasing large amounts of glutamate isn't actually giving them some sort of profound/real information, it's basically putting them in a state of temporary schizophrenia where they're hearing and seeing things that aren't real (but that could be influenced by what they want to be real) and putting them in an induced euphoric state.

 

[Occams Barber]

Always take the

It boils down to intelligent design and I thought about it and I changed the title.

Can you explain how it 'boils down to Intelligent Design'?

There's no obvious connection between your article and the concept of Intelligent Design.

OB

 

[Sheila Davis]

I don't see how this article relates to your "There is a Creator" thread title?

The article shows that the so called near-death-experience has a natural explanation. It's a product of oxygen deprivation in neurons.

OB

I changed the title to Intelligent Design now that should make more sense to those who say there is a creator isn't affiliated with the title. It would seem that Christians would understand the title. Because the functions of all life from the amount of cell and how they function with each other _ to speech, to eyesight, to all the senses, to reproduction, even to balance she had mentioned says we didn't evolve from living organisms that came from space or spontaneously _ that humans are not evolved fish!


Scientists pinpoint 'wave of death' that happens as consciousness ends Scientists pinpoint 'wave of death' that happens as consciousness ends

 

[Sheila Davis]

I'm lost?

A Christian shouldn't be lost - when reading the article it indicates there is a design - specific functions that the brain goes through before death. Almost as if an electric shock takes place at the very end. Intelligent design / there is a creator.
But for those who say it makes no sense I change the title to Intelligent Design hope that's better for you.

 

[Pommer]

A Christian shouldn't be lost - when reading the article it indicates there is a design - specific functions that the brain goes through before death. Almost as if an electric shock takes place at the very end. Intelligent design / there is a creator.
But for those who say it makes no sense I change the title to Intelligent Design hope that's better for you.

Is this process substantially different for (say) a slug, or an octopus (which might not have a fully developed concept of a god)?

 

[Bradskii]

...even to balance she had mentioned says we didn't evolve from living organisms that came from space or spontaneously _ that humans are not evolved fish!

This is a new one for me. 'I can stand on one leg. Therefore...God'.

Augustine must be kicking himself that he missed that one.

 

[Occams Barber]

I changed the title to Intelligent Design now that should make more sense to those who say there is a creator isn't affiliated with the title. It would seem that Christians would understand the title. Because the functions of all life from the amount of cell and how they function with each other _ to speech, to eyesight, to all the senses, to reproduction, even to balance she had mentioned says we didn't evolve from living organisms that came from space or spontaneously _ that humans are not evolved fish!


Scientists pinpoint 'wave of death' that happens as consciousness ends Scientists pinpoint 'wave of death' that happens as consciousness ends

I'm sorry Sheila but your explanation is still confusing.

You appear to be saying that since there are various life functions associated with life then humans couldn't have evolved. This sounds like a version of what's known as the 'Argument From Incredulity' which basically says;

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"I can't imagine this happened therefore it couldn't have happened"​

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Not being able to visualise or understand something doesn't necessarily make it untrue. There's a heckuva lot of science behind the concept of Evolution.

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OB

 

[ThatRobGuy]

It would seem that Christians would understand the title. Because the functions of all life from the amount of cell and how they function with each other _ to speech, to eyesight, to all the senses, to reproduction, even to balance she had mentioned says we didn't evolve from living organisms that came from space or spontaneously _ that humans are not evolved fish!

A) I'm thinking that this thread probably fits better here: Creation & Evolution

B) The premise that because creatures have developed complexities that are advantageous to them in their environment doesn't debunk evolution, it actually proves it.

** it should also be noted that "whether or not there's a creator" and "evolution" aren't mutually exclusive. There's such a thing as "theistic evolutionists" who believe that there was a creator, and that said creator put evolution in motion.

The underlying concepts of evolution explain a lot of things that we commonly observe.

To use an extremely basic and simple example... the fact that we have human beings with different amounts of melanin is evidence that humans evolve and adapt to their environment.

The question I always ask (and while some people view it as a "cheap shot" or "snarky", it's not intended to be)

If we accept the premise of Young Earth Creationism, which posits that Adam and Eve were the first humans to exist on earth, and we're all distant descendants from them, how do you explain how there are white people and black people? Sounds simplistic, I know...but, how do you explain it?

Evolution explains it by asserting that people who live in areas with more UV exposure evolve and build up more melanin with each passing generation because it protects against sun damage, how does creationism explain how distant descendants of the same "great X 120" grandparents (Adam & Eve) end up looking as different as Neil Patrick Harris and LeBron James? I mean, I don't know what color Young Earth Creationists think Adam & Eve were, but regardless of what their answer is, they'd be hard pressed to explain how we end up with such drastic diversity hundreds of generations later, absent the concepts of evolution.

 

[Laodicean60]

Tracking Brain's "Wave of Death": New Insights into Neural End-of-Life - Neuroscience News

Their study reveals that during anoxia, or oxygen deprivation, the brain undergoes a series of changes, including a massive release of glutamate and a surge in gamma and beta waves, potentially linked to near-death experiences.

neurosciencenews.com

I for one am intrigued with the science. I've been looking into psychology because of my granddaughter and myself since my heart attack in September. I'm an extremist in my type A personality. I learned about meditation and how it affects our brainwaves. Theta, Alpha, Delta... as our technology advances in MEG we may have an alphabet of brainwave states. I also saw where Buddhist monks can control their brain waves measured by MEG testing. Peace

 

[The Barbarian]

If we accept the premise of Young Earth Creationism, which posits that Adam and Eve were the first humans to exist on earth, and we're all distant descendants from them, how do you explain how there are white people and black people? Sounds simplistic, I know...but, how do you explain it?

Evolution explains it by asserting that people who live in areas with more UV exposure evolve and build up more melanin with each passing generation because it protects against sun damage, how does creationism explain how distant descendants of the same "great X 120" grandparents (Adam & Eve) end up looking as different as Neil Patrick Harris and LeBron James? I mean, I don't know what color Young Earth Creationists think Adam & Eve were, but regardless of what their answer is, they'd be hard pressed to explain how we end up with such drastic diversity hundreds of generations later, absent the concepts of evolution.

We can tighten your argument a bit. Adam and Eve could have had, at most, 4 alleles for each gene locus. Yet, we find dozens of them for most genes today. All the rest of them evolved, unless you believe the Allele Fairy brings them to us.

 

[Laodicean60]

I'm thinking that this thread probably fits better here: Creation & Evolution

Dude, did you even read the article?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Dude, did you even read the article?

Yes, which is why I elaborated the way I did in posts 4 & 7. (you think I just had "glutamate fun facts" in the hopper ready to go?)

Did you read the post I was replying to? Between the OPs posts and original thread title, it seemed pretty clear that the OP was looking to debate against evolution in favor of creation, for which there's a dedicated sub-forum.

 

[Laodicean60]

Yes, which is why I elaborated the way I did in posts 4 & 7. (you think I just had "glutamate fun facts" in the hopper ready to go?)

Did you read the post I was replying to? Between the OPs posts and original thread title, it seemed pretty clear that the OP was looking to debate against evolution in favor of creation, for which there's a dedicated sub-forum.

I sincerely apologize, I stand corrected. You are correct in your statements.

 

[Astrid]

A Christian shouldn't be lost - when reading the article it indicates there is a design - specific functions that the brain goes through before death. Almost as if an electric shock takes place at the very end. Intelligent design / there is a creator.
But for those who say it makes no sense I change the title to Intelligent Design hope that's better for you.

Terrif. You try to hijack science to support
your anti- science.

There may be a god, and he may have even
Created all for human benefit.

But starting with a conclusion then seeking
evidence to support it is the opposite of
science or any sort of intellectual integrity,
regardless of any god or belief in same.

Christians shouod- imo- value intrgrity.