Intelligent Design

[DogmaHunter]

Something that looks designed, is designed.

Something that doesn't look designed, isn't designed.

Or:

Something that looks designed, is designed.
Something that doesn't look designed, is probably still designed cuz this 2500 year old scroll says so.

 

[DogmaHunter]

We see complex features that are very much like we see today. Complex eyes and even complex brains. The molecular machines already in place and creatures that have changed very little in 505 million years.

The "earliest lifeforms" lived around 3.6 billion years ago.

Complex eyes and complex brains? What have you been smoking?
Please show me "complex eyes and complex brains" on single-celled life forms. FYI: these single celled life forms that existed directly prior to the first multi-celled life forms are the result of more then a billion years of evolution.

Perhaps you should inform yourself.

And perhaps you would also like to actually address the question in the OP.

 

[Smidlee]

Design is an organization of matter that can't be explained by the laws of nature (matter and energy) alone. Often it forces matter and/or energy to follow "narrow" paths instead the natural board path for a purpose.

 

[EternalDragon]

The "earliest lifeforms" lived around 3.6 billion years ago.

Complex eyes and complex brains? What have you been smoking?
Please show me "complex eyes and complex brains" on single-celled life forms. FYI: these single celled life forms that existed directly prior to the first multi-celled life forms are the result of more then a billion years of evolution.

Perhaps you should inform yourself.

And perhaps you would also like to actually address the question in the OP.

If you are going by the supposed evidence of era's, then that would
be the Cambrian explosion.

"The long-running puzzlement about the appearance of the Cambrian fauna, seemingly abruptly and from nowhere, centers on three key points: whether there really was a mass diversification of complex organisms over a relatively short period of time during the early Cambrian; what might have caused such rapid change; and what it would imply about the origin of animal life. Interpretation is difficult due to a limited supply of evidence, based mainly on an incomplete fossil record and chemical signatures remaining in Cambrian rocks."

 

[JayFern]

Intelligent design is simply a joke played on the gullible.

 

[Smidlee]

Intelligent design is simply a joke played on the gullible.

You think the idea your brain is intelligent designed is a joke? You may have a point: we may be gullible for believing that.

 

[Golden Arches]

You think the idea your brain is intelligent designed is a joke? You may have a point: we may be gullible for believing that.

The brain could be much more intelligently designed.

For instance, let's say that the signal needs to escape the end of a neuron to activate a muscle. Instead of a process which an electrical conductor could just touch at a point of contact, there is the utilization of synapses. And as a result of the synaptic process, a neuron can become depleted of the transmitter substance and essentially become fatigued. The synapse won't be ready for the next signal unless the released transmitter substance is deactivated. This requires a set of enzymes to deactivate them, which all need to be manufactured and replaced, which all needs energy.

Or we could talk about the design flaw where the myelin sheath that covers the axon can become damaged and the person using the brain will slowly lose the ability to function, or what we call Multiple Sclerosis.

Essentially the way the brain works is through a series of kludges. It functions, most certainly. It typically functions quite well, despite the various ways it can go haywire. But it most certainly isn't optimally efficient and there is absolutely no way that an omnipotent, omniscient being couldn't come up with a better design.

Evolution, on the other hand, can't conjure up an optimal system. It can try and make things as optimal as possible for the organism to be able to reproduce, but unlike an omnipotent deity it does not have a coherent plan and can't, say, start a new design if the old one proves inefficient. It has to work with what it has. And thus we get the brain that we have as opposed to the brain that we might want.

 

[Smidlee]

The brain could be much more intelligently designed.

So is this an admittance that you believe the brain is intelligent design? I agree which why I'm looking forward receiving my new incorruptible body. God has something much greater waiting in the future.

Evolution, on the other hand, can't conjure up an optimal system.

Boy that's a understatement as evolution can't conjure up jack.

 

[DogmaHunter]

If you are going by the supposed evidence of era's, then that would be the Cambrian explosion.

"The long-running puzzlement about the appearance of the Cambrian fauna, seemingly abruptly and from nowhere, centers on three key points: whether there really was a mass diversification of complex organisms over a relatively short period of time during the early Cambrian; what might have caused such rapid change; and what it would imply about the origin of animal life. Interpretation is difficult due to a limited supply of evidence, based mainly on an incomplete fossil record and chemical signatures remaining in Cambrian rocks."

What is your point?

ps: this "relatively short period of time" is some ~80 million years. "Relatively" short in geological time, yes. But make no mistake, it took 80 million years.

 

[DogmaHunter]

So is this an admittance that you believe the brain is intelligent design? I agree which why I'm looking forward receiving my new incorruptible body. God has something much greater waiting in the future.

Does it come with a tinfoil hat?

Boy that's a understatement as evolution can't conjure up jack.

Primarily, it's quite a silly statement which is 100% dependent on faith-based bronze age mythology and 0% on the facts and evidence of reality.

 

[Smidlee]

Does it come with a tinfoil hat?



Primarily, it's quite a silly statement which is 100% dependent on faith-based bronze age mythology and 0% on the facts and evidence of reality.

There is nothing in the real world that suggest "evolution" can create anything as complex as a rat's brain let along a human brain.
I'm sure evolution can do great things in your imagination.

 

[DogmaHunter]

There is nothing in the real world that suggest "evolution" can create anything as complex as a rat's brain let along a human brain.

True. But only if we ignore genetics, bio-chemistry, breeding programs, agricultural science, the fossil record, the distribution of species, comparative anatomy, paleontology,....

Off course, if your mentality is still stuck in medieval times, it's probably easier to consider science to be a gigantic conspiracy by a bunch of baby eating atheists who are out to get you and your children.

I'm sure evolution can do great things in your imagination.

I don't need imagination when I have facts to observe.

 

[Smidlee]

True. But only if we ignore genetics, bio-chemistry, breeding programs, agricultural science, the fossil record, the distribution of species, comparative anatomy, paleontology,....

Off course, if your mentality is still stuck in medieval times, it's probably easier to consider science to be a gigantic conspiracy by a bunch of baby eating atheists who are out to get you and your children.



I don't need imagination when I have facts to observe.

I don't know who "we" are but I don't ignore them. The facts doesn't support the evolution myth as scientist has to continue repeating to themselves :
"It's not design , it evolved" "It's not design , it evolved" "It's not design , it evolved" "It's not design , it evolved" ,etc.

The fossil record has never supported Darwinism. There is no tree of life as there is no LUCA.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I don't know who "we" are but I don't ignore them. The facts doesn't support the evolution myth as scientist has to continue repeating to themselves :
"It's not design , it evolved" "It's not design , it evolved" "It's not design , it evolved" "It's not design , it evolved" ,etc.

The fossil record has never supported Darwinism. There is no tree of life as there is no LUCA.

 

[JayFern]

There is nothing in the real world that suggest "evolution" can create anything as complex as a rat's brain let along a human brain.
I'm sure evolution can do great things in your imagination.

I agree, evolution is so hard to understand it's much easier to believe an imagined entity did it all using magic.

 

[EternalDragon]

I don't know who "we" are but I don't ignore them. The facts doesn't support the evolution myth as scientist has to continue repeating to themselves :
"It's not design , it evolved" "It's not design , it evolved" "It's not design , it evolved" "It's not design , it evolved" ,etc.

The fossil record has never supported Darwinism. There is no tree of life as there is no LUCA.

Their version of reality is naturalist philosophy.

 

[Loudmouth]

We see complex features that are very much like we see today. Complex eyes and even complex brains.

No, we don't. We see nothing even like the modern fish brain in the Cambrian. We don't see complex teatrpods, or really any of the major lineages of vertebrates that you would call complex.

The molecular machines already in place and creatures that have changed very little in 505 million years.

Then show us a human in the Cambrian. If they had those machines and all of the complexity, then show us the humans.

 

[Loudmouth]

Their version of reality is naturalist philosophy.

Our version of reality is reality. You ignore the facts in order to protect your philosophy.

 

[justlookinla]

Our version of reality is reality. You ignore the facts in order to protect your philosophy.

Where's the reality that humanity, and pine trees, are simply the product of a series of chance mutations acting on a single life form of long long ago?

That's nothing more than the faith based fairy tales of the Godless.

 

[Davian]

Where's the reality that humanity, and pine trees, are simply the product of a series of chance mutations acting on a single life form of long long ago?

That's nothing more than the faith based fairy tales of the Godless.

Flamebait. When all else fails.