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Today at 01:15 PM lucaspa said this in Post #54
Actually, no law requires this.  Various curricula standards mandate the teaching of biological evolution, but no laws that I am aware of.  Just as their are no laws to teach gravity or cell theory. 

The Biology you should be teaching people is how God created us and how we fell away from His plan and purpose. You should be able to show the difference in man before and after the fall. You should be able to show the results of sin upon man.

Most of all, you should be able to teach our young people about the Divine Blood of Jesus and how His Blood cleanses us from our sins.

Just what was the difference in Adam and Eve before and after the fall into sin. Just how does Jesus restore us? Just how does the power of God work in us to transform us into the people that is was always God's plan for us to be.
 
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Great post John. ;)

The Biology you should be teaching people is how God created us...

that would be religion, not science.

[bYou should be able to show the difference in man before and after the fall. You should be able to show the results of sin upon man. [/b]

Your right you should. Thanks for bringing this up. So, can creationists show any of this with real evidence, or is all of this just speculation?

Most of all, you should be able to teach our young people about the Divine Blood of Jesus and how His Blood cleanses us from our sins.

cool, so I can go out and sin, just as long as I clean myself in the divine blood of jesus afterwards (teenager mentality. ;) ) :D

Today at 06:50 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #62



The Biology you should be teaching people is how God created us and how we fell away from His plan and purpose. You should be able to show the difference in man before and after the fall. You should be able to show the results of sin upon man.

Most of all, you should be able to teach our young people about the Divine Blood of Jesus and how His Blood cleanses us from our sins.

Just what was the difference in Adam and Eve before and after the fall into sin. Just how does Jesus restore us? Just how does the power of God work in us to transform us into the people that is was always God's plan for us to be.
 
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LoL John.

Are you talking about prayer? The same prayer that you mentioned is at the most only 33% effective.

Are you sure you know what Taoism is? I mean, he didnt even tell you what type of taoism he was talking about.

:D

Today at 06:52 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #63



Because we have the cure for the common cold, they don't.
 
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Today at 09:43 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #60



Do you really not know the difference between God and man? Do you really not know anything at all about the nature of God?

it would be a miracle if I had. The only information I've ever gotten about the nature of God has been from men.

And the funny thing is, no man has ever presented a God which disagreed with their own nature.

What do you make of that?
 
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Today at 09:50 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #62



The Biology you should be teaching people is how God created us and how we fell away from His plan and purpose. You should be able to show the difference in man before and after the fall. You should be able to show the results of sin upon man.

It would certainly make anatomy classes easier. "You know about the blood, the bones, the tissue? God made all of that out of dust. Unless of course, you're talking about a female, in which case you were made out of a rib bone. Class dismissed."

It would be a frightening day when those kids graduate from medical school. Personally, I'd insist on an Atheist doctor.

Most of all, you should be able to teach our young people about the Divine Blood of Jesus and how His Blood cleanses us from our sins.

That's it! John, you've just proposed a test for divinity! Everyone knows that ordinary blood stains fabric. If the blood has the same properties as bleach, it must be divine! 

Just what was the difference in Adam and Eve before and after the fall into sin. Just how does Jesus restore us? Just how does the power of God work in us to transform us into the people that is was always God's plan for us to be.

And just what does any of this have to do with biology?
 
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Today at 09:52 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #63



Because we have the cure for the common cold, they don't.

LOL Johnny. Last I checked, we haven't progressed much past aspirin and chicken soup.

Has God given you a cold remedy that you've forgotten to share with us?

Oh, wait, let me guess. True Christians, purified in the blood of Christ, are protected from diseases of the flesh, for as we all know, the flesh is Satan's domain, and True Christians are saved from him.

Something like that, right?
 
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Last I heard, it was Prayer and faith. Which according to John, is supposably more powerfull than any medication we have (even though he often talks about it as the "plecebo effect", and says the plecebo effect is only 33% effective).
However, apparently people dont pray or dont pray hard enough for those children in third world countries that die from dehydration and malnutrition. Despite the christian help groups that are over there, trying to help out.

:)

But thats just what I remember.


Today at 07:16 PM Nathan Poe said this in Post #69



LOL Johnny. Last I checked, we haven't progressed much past aspirin and chicken soup.

Has God given you a cold remedy that you've forgotten to share with us?

Oh, wait, let me guess. True Christians, purified in the blood of Christ, are protected from diseases of the flesh, for as we all know, the flesh is Satan's domain, and True Christians are saved from him.

Something like that, right?
 
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Today at 09:57 PM Arikay said this in Post #64

Your right you should. Thanks for bringing this up. So, can creationists show any of this with real evidence, or is all of this just speculation?
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Oh, we can do our job. We can show you the divine nature of God, compared to the fallen nature of man. We can show the difference between the divine attitudes of God and the divine thoughts of God, compared to the attitudes and thoughts of sinful man.

Biologists do not always do their job. They do not always show the difference between the Biology of man before and man after the fall. Although with the research into DNA, they feel they can someday restore man to his former glory.
 
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Today at 10:25 PM Arikay said this in Post #70

Last I heard, it was Prayer and faith. Which according to John, is supposably more powerfull than any medication we have (even though he often talks about it as the "plecebo effect, and says the plecebo effect is only 33% effective).

Yep, man's faith is only 33% effective. Man has fallen from the grace of God and that has weakened him. But with God, we can get 100% results. Man can not cure aids, but God can.

God's love and God's Holy divine faith is 100% relyable, 100% of the time. God is not a liar, what He promises He will do, He will do. We can be all that God says we can be. We can do all that God says we can do.

We have been redeemed, delivered and set free. But those who refuse to repent and turn away from sin, will just continue right on their way to destruction.
 
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Today at 10:26 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #71

Today at 09:57 PM Arikay said this in Post #64

Your right you should. Thanks for bringing this up. So, can creationists show any of this with real evidence, or is all of this just speculation?
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Oh, we can do our job. We can show you the divine nature of God, compared to the fallen nature of man. We can show the difference between the divine attitudes of God and the divine thoughts of God, compared to the attitudes and thoughts of sinful man.

Then by all means, do your job. I wouldn't miss this show for anything.

Biologists do not always do their job. They do not always show the difference between the Biology of man before and man after the fall. Although with the research into DNA, they feel they can someday restore man to his former glory.

Biologists do not ever do this job because it is not their job. Do you honestly think that scientists are combing through the DNA molecule looking for the "pre-fall" gene?
 
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Cool, so you mean you have real evidence that man was different before the fall? Can I see it? :D

oddly enough, one of those random mutations that creationists claim cant be beneficial, has given a couple men an imunity (or almost imunity) to AIDs.
But im sure you will just say that god did it, on purpose. :D
 
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Today at 10:16 PM Nathan Poe said this in Post #69
Oh, wait, let me guess. True Christians, purified in the blood of Christ, are protected from diseases of the flesh, for as we all know, the flesh is Satan's domain, and True Christians are saved from him. 

Jesus had flesh just like you and I have. He came to show us the way to live. I know people who even under the law are able to live free from sickness. How much more are we able to walk in health, that have the grace of God working in us.

True Christians have power over the serpent, to trample him underfoot. He can in no way hinder the work that God is doing.

Isaiah 55:11
        So shall My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
        It shall not return to Me empty,
        Without accomplishing what I desire,
        And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.





 
 
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Today at 10:35 PM Arikay said this in Post #74

Cool, so you mean you have real evidence that man was different before the fall? Can I see it? :D 

Of course look to Jesus. He came to give us an example to follow. We are to be just like He was when He walked the earth. If you want to know what Adam and Eve were like before the fall, then study Jesus. He came to restore everything as they were, before Adam and Eve fell away from God.

I for one am going to be glad when man made government comes to a end, and the government becomes as God intended it to be.
 
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Today at 10:34 PM Nathan Poe said this in Post #73 

Do you honestly think that scientists are combing through the DNA molecule looking for the "pre-fall" gene?

Yep, that is exactly what they are doing. I thought that you knew a little bit about biology.




 
 
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Today at 10:37 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #75



Jesus had flesh just like you and I have. He came to show us the way to live. I know people who even under the law are able to live free from sickness. How much more are we able to walk in health, that have the grace of God working in us.

True Christians have power over the serpent, to trample him underfoot. He can in no way hinder the work that God is doing.

Isaiah 55:11
        So shall My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
        It shall not return to Me empty,
        Without accomplishing what I desire,
        And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it. 
 

Huh? I assume you're agreeing with me, in your usual roundabout non-sequitor way.

If Godly people are immune from illness, then we can reverse that and say that illness is caused by a lack of Godliness in our lives. Congratulations are in order! You've just falsified the germ theory of disease!

Just one little problem: A germ doesn't care if you're a believer or not. It attacks anyway.

Matthew 5:45 -- "That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

God doesn't stop the rain; why stop the germs?
 
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I didnt ask for someone to look for.

I asked for real solid evidence. You know, scientific evidence. :D

So, why are you ignoring the people who through mutations are now immune (or almost immune) to AIDs. Without the help of Prayer. :)

Today at 07:41 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #76



Of course look to Jesus. He came to give us an example to follow. We are to be just like He was when He walked the earth. If you want to know what Adam and Eve were like before the fall, then study Jesus. He came to restore everything as they were, before Adam and Eve fell away from God.

I for one am going to be glad when man made government comes to a end, and the government becomes as God intended it to be.
 
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Today at 10:47 PM Arikay said this in Post #79 


I asked for real solid evidence. You know, scientific evidence. :D

If you want scientific evidence, then go find a scientist. I would have no idea what scientific evidence is. What I have seen of scientific evidence looks more like a exercise in creative writting than anything else.
 
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