Intelligent Design

[biochemrex]

When is vilification/abuse not vilification? When it is done by a liberal. It is like when is a Terrorist not a Terrorist - when he is a Marxist.

If there will be a backfire against Intelligent Desigh why are Darwinists so terrorfied of it being taught? I think they know where the backfire will go - against Evolution! At present students are not allowed to question Evolution. But ID would chanmge all that.

Scripture is a mixed bag. It is not a text book on Engineering or Biology. It is a collection of spiritual experiences. You have to judge them on their worth. Martin Luther refered to one of the Letters as a Letter of straw.

It is a big mistake to assume that to be a Christian one has to treat it all as equal. There is plenty of room for debate, however there is very little room for liberal theology - which is more interested in the Gospel according to Karl Marx. Keith

 

[mikeynov]

When is vilification/abuse not vilification? When it is done by a liberal. It is like when is a Terrorist not a Terrorist - when he is a Marxist.

If there will be a backfire against Intelligent Desigh why are Darwinists so terrorfied of it being taught? I think they know where the backfire will go - against Evolution! At present students are not allowed to question Evolution. But ID would chanmge all that.

Scripture is a mixed bag. It is not a text book on Engineering or Biology. It is a collection of spiritual experiences. You have to judge them on their worth. Martin Luther refered to one of the Letters as a Letter of straw.

It is a big mistake to assume that to be a Christian one has to treat it all as equal. There is plenty of room for debate, however there is very little room for liberal theology - which is more interested in the Gospel according to Karl Marx. Keith

Hate to break this to you, but Jesus was downright hippie-ish at times as portrayed in the bible itself.

As Bill Maher said, if Jesus were alive today, there's no way he'd be part of the religious right.

 

[ebia]

When is vilification/abuse not vilification? When it is done by a liberal. It is like when is a Terrorist not a Terrorist - when he is a Marxist.

If there will be a backfire against Intelligent Desigh why are Darwinists so terrorfied of it being taught? I think they know where the backfire will go - against Evolution! At present students are not allowed to question Evolution. But ID would chanmge all that.

Scripture is a mixed bag. It is not a text book on Engineering or Biology. It is a collection of spiritual experiences. You have to judge them on their worth. Martin Luther refered to one of the Letters as a Letter of straw.

It is a big mistake to assume that to be a Christian one has to treat it all as equal. There is plenty of room for debate, however there is very little room for liberal theology - which is more interested in the Gospel according to Karl Marx. Keith

This sounds awfully like "it's ok to disregard the bits of the bible that disagree with my views, but not the bits that disagree with yours".

 

[nvxplorer]

When is vilification/abuse not vilification? When it is done by a liberal. It is like when is a Terrorist not a Terrorist - when he is a Marxist.

If there will be a backfire against Intelligent Desigh why are Darwinists so terrorfied of it being taught? I think they know where the backfire will go - against Evolution! At present students are not allowed to question Evolution. But ID would chanmge all that.

Scripture is a mixed bag. It is not a text book on Engineering or Biology. It is a collection of spiritual experiences. You have to judge them on their worth. Martin Luther refered to one of the Letters as a Letter of straw.

It is a big mistake to assume that to be a Christian one has to treat it all as equal. There is plenty of room for debate, however there is very little room for liberal theology - which is more interested in the Gospel according to Karl Marx. Keith

I see we have to add another to the list.

Evolution != atheism.
Creationism != Christianity.
Evolution != communism.

I’d say your post is absurd, but I wouldn’t want to be mistaken for an evil “liberal.”

 

[Dannager]

When is vilification/abuse not vilification? When it is done by a liberal. It is like when is a Terrorist not a Terrorist - when he is a Marxist.

If there will be a backfire against Intelligent Desigh why are Darwinists so terrorfied of it being taught? I think they know where the backfire will go - against Evolution! At present students are not allowed to question Evolution. But ID would chanmge all that.

Scripture is a mixed bag. It is not a text book on Engineering or Biology. It is a collection of spiritual experiences. You have to judge them on their worth. Martin Luther refered to one of the Letters as a Letter of straw.

It is a big mistake to assume that to be a Christian one has to treat it all as equal. There is plenty of room for debate, however there is very little room for liberal theology - which is more interested in the Gospel according to Karl Marx. Keith

I stopped reading when you spelled "terrified" as "terrorfied". Then I sat here and laughed for a good fifteen seconds before continuing. It's good to see that the people questioning scientists with a decade of higher education under their belt lack a basic grasp of spelling.

To address your actual post, scientists are afraid of creationism being taught. Scientists are not afraid of it being taught for fear of being persecuted. What scientists fear is the youth of our country growing up with a botched education, as it appears you received.

I think Creationists should be afraid of creationism being taught in the classroom. That would give students the chance to challenge it in an open forum, with an educated facilitator (the teacher). I can only imagine how foolish students supporting creationism will look when their teacher explains how they know the Earth was formed billions of years ago.

 

[raphael_aa]

When is vilification/abuse not vilification? When it is done by a liberal. It is like when is a Terrorist not a Terrorist - when he is a Marxist.

If there will be a backfire against Intelligent Desigh why are Darwinists so terrorfied of it being taught? I think they know where the backfire will go - against Evolution! At present students are not allowed to question Evolution. But ID would chanmge all that.

Scripture is a mixed bag. It is not a text book on Engineering or Biology. It is a collection of spiritual experiences. You have to judge them on their worth. Martin Luther refered to one of the Letters as a Letter of straw.

It is a big mistake to assume that to be a Christian one has to treat it all as equal. There is plenty of room for debate, however there is very little room for liberal theology - which is more interested in the Gospel according to Karl Marx. Keith

To be helpful I've bolded the part of your post that is actually about the topic.

Now, as a teacher, I'm not 'terrified' at anything being taught. But I am against the rhumba being taught in science. Similarly, I think science should not be taught in poetry class. (Actually I sat here for a full five minutes trying to think of some area where science didn't at least play a part.) ID, at least at this time, is a philosophy with no discernible unique scientifically verifiable content. It's a philosophical position I hold. But it ain't science.

I also get the feeling that you see education as indoctrination. If the indoctrination suits you, you're happy with it. If the indoctrination offends you, you want to fight it. Again, as a teacher, my aim is not primarily to have students gain a body of knowledge to which they must adhere with a death-like grip. Instead, I aim to help students learn how to think clearly, to evaluate, to synthesize, to test. I am positively delighted when students disagree with me and can articulate their reasons for doing so.

 

[Caphi]

When is vilification/abuse not vilification? When it is done by a liberal. It is like when is a Terrorist not a Terrorist - when he is a Marxist.

Hahaha, that's so funny! olololol </sarcasm> Here, I've got another for you. When is an attempt at intelligent discussion vilification? When it's being done to rabid creationists with prosecution complexes. This portion of the post is more or less meaningless.

If there will be a backfire against Intelligent Desigh why are Darwinists so terrorfied of it being taught? I think they know where the backfire will go - against Evolution! At present students are not allowed to question Evolution. But ID would chanmge all that.

Anyone is allowed to question anything, my friend. Alternatives are always acceptable. The only thing is, the alternatives have to be reasonable and backed up by evidence. Now, take a wild guess how much evidence ID has. Here's a hint - it's a number between 1 and -1.

Scripture is a mixed bag. It is not a text book on Engineering or Biology. It is a collection of spiritual experiences. You have to judge them on their worth. Martin Luther refered to one of the Letters as a Letter of straw.

Long ago, when knowledge was limited, scripture (be it the Vedas, the Torah, the Kuran, the Bible, the Sutras...) was the source of knowledge. Now, many of the fields of knowledge which formerly had no basis save scripture and intuition are being explained by science. Why do you think Western religion has turned away from the natural world and inward to human minds and souls, prompting a rise in meditation, homeopathy, hypnosis, and the like? Because as science pushes forth our understanding of the natural world, religion retreats to what is, after all, it's most powerful niche - helping humans understand their minds.

It is a big mistake to assume that to be a Christian one has to treat it all as equal. There is plenty of room for debate, however there is very little room for liberal theology - which is more interested in the Gospel according to Karl Marx. Keith

Are we trying to tie liberalism to Communism? You really are desperate, aren't you?

 

[biochemrex]

No doubt the Left would say that if Jesus were alive today he would be a Gay.
Sorry about spelling mistakes. My fault I was in a hurry and failed to proof.
I know how bad spelling offends Leftists since it is the only criticism they can find to refute attacks on their values. Make one mistake and that discredits all your work - which would make most published books today worthless, since proof reading is a lost art. Of course Leftists have special dispensation themselves.
Yes, my Education was botched since I failed to become a Gay. Leftists have always believed that the purpose of Education was to make people conform to their values.
And I am against Evolution being taught in Science, but if it must be taught, let there be an ID counter at least.
Yes, all education is indoctrination and anyone who thinks students are free to criticize teachers has never heard of political correctness which dominates Education today.
I find it interesting that this forum claims to be Christian, yet it is dominated by Gay Atheists and that all topics on Homosexuality have been locked down because too many posters were critical. Censorship has always been the prime argument of the Left. Do you dream of living in a Commie utopia like N. Korea? Well why not migrate there I am sure you would be welcome. Keith

 

[madarab]

Leftists, religion and homosexuality all in one off-topic post. As if right-wing gay atheists don't exist... *is amused by your hangups*

 

[Valkhorn]

No doubt the Left would say that if Jesus were alive today he would be a Gay.

Source?

Sorry about spelling mistakes. My fault I was in a hurry and failed to proof.

Ok.

I know how bad spelling offends Leftists since it is the only criticism they can find to refute attacks on their values.

Um since you aren't supporting any of your claims the burden of proof lies on you, not these 'lefties' you're talking about.

Make one mistake and that discredits all your work - which would make most published books today worthless, since proof reading is a lost art. Of course Leftists have special dispensation themselves.

Huh? Could you back this up?

Yes, my Education was botched since I failed to become a Gay. Leftists have always believed that the purpose of Education was to make people conform to their values.

What does your homophobia have to do with your education?

And I am against Evolution being taught in Science, but if it must be taught, let there be an ID counter at least.

And how much about evolution do you know? Have you even studied it?

Yes, all education is indoctrination and anyone who thinks students are free to criticize teachers has never heard of political correctness which dominates Education today.

What? Could you back this up?

So I suppose education is evil now. Funny how some people would love to keep mankind in the dark ages wallowing around in our own feces.

I find it interesting that this forum claims to be Christian, yet it is dominated by Gay Atheists and that all topics on Homosexuality have been locked down because too many posters were critical.

I'm an Atheist and am not Gay. Are you refering to the Evil Gay Atheist Conspiracy?

The EGAC won't like this...

Censorship has always been the prime argument of the Left. Do you dream of living in a Commie utopia like N. Korea? Well why not migrate there I am sure you would be welcome. Keith

What? Then how come religious fundies like you want to censor more than even moderates.

 

[raphael_aa]

Um .... apart from all the weird vitriol that has come gushing forth I'd like to look at this statement:

Yes, all education is indoctrination and anyone who thinks students are free to criticize teachers has never heard of political correctness which dominates Education today.

I'd just like to remind you that I AM a teacher (albeit in Australia) and I particularly encourage students to think for themselves. All ideas need to be challenged. Most teachers I know feel the same way. Remember I said this:

Again, as a teacher, my aim is not primarily to have students gain a body of knowledge to which they must adhere with a death-like grip. Instead, I aim to help students learn how to think clearly, to evaluate, to synthesize, to test. I am positively delighted when students disagree with me and can articulate their reasons for doing so.

Perhaps, just perhaps, the reason you had troubles with your education didn't have anything to do with your staunch refusal to turn gay.

 

[ebia]

Likewise.

biochemrix - your post is an attack against those of us here who are teachers. Back it up with serious evidence or retract it.

 

[Jet Black]

If there will be a backfire against Intelligent Desigh why are Darwinists so terrorfied of it being taught?

We're not terrified, it's just that ID is just a load of rubbish. We don't want our children being taught rubbish.

 

[Deamiter]

When a thread in C&amp;E has turned into a discussion of the politics of homosexuality and liberal theology, it has no further purpose in C&amp;E.

Remember folks, homosexual discussion is restricted to Philosophy and Morality. If such discussions get shut down elsewhere, it's because they violate that rule, not because they're supported by one group or another!