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God is distinct from the universe, and vice versa. In that, the significant differences between God and the universe is what constitutes the universe as something that is caused and brought into existence. For example, the universe is material; God is immaterial.If God is special in that he's eternal and causeless, why is it not that our universe may be eternal and causeless?
If our universe is so complex that it couldn't have happened without a designer, how is it possible that God does not have a designer?
If God is special in that he's eternal and causeless, why is it not that our universe may be eternal and causeless?
If God is beyond human comprehension, why is it not just that our universe is beyond human comprehension?
If you're going the logical route and believe in intelligent design, I'd like to get your thoughts on those questions.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. All things were created through Him, and apart from Him not one thing was created that has been created. Life was in Him, and that life was the light of men. That light shines in the darkness, yet the darkness did not overcome it. [John 1:1-5]If our universe is so complex that it couldn't have happened without a designer, how is it possible that God does not have a designer?
If God is special in that he's eternal and causeless, why is it not that our universe may be eternal and causeless?
If God is beyond human comprehension, why is it not just that our universe is beyond human comprehension?
If you're going the logical route and believe in intelligent design, I'd like to get your thoughts on those questions.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. All things were created through Him, and apart from Him not one thing was created that has been created. Life was in Him, and that life was the light of men. That light shines in the darkness, yet the darkness did not overcome it. [John 1:1-5]
Jesus (the Word...see John 1:14) was with the Father...in the beginning. Think Genesis 1:1. The Godhead has eternally existed.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. He was with God in the beginning.
I suppose this means that no one else is there to speak, write or hear God.
You got it!All things were created though Him, and apart from Him not one thing was created that has been created.
Everything must go through God. Nothing is created without God.
Remember...God was in the beginning...not created.Life was in Him, and that life was the light of men.
Inside God, which is the essence or core of God, is the light of men, which means enlightened men created God?
John sets up a theme found in his Gospel of light vs dark. A read through John will help to understand this.That light shines in the darkness, yet the darkness did not overcome it.
The light of men, presumably the ideas that come from enlightened men, shines in the darkness (ignorance). At the same time, the darkness (ignorance) does not overcome it. The light shines though, and therefore, God was created by Man in order to create the first Biblical characters, Adam and Eve.
God is distinct from the universe, and vice versa. In that, the significant differences between God and the universe is what constitutes the universe as something that is caused and brought into existence. For example, the universe is material; God is immaterial.
Who or what would create the creator?If our universe is so complex that it couldn't have happened without a designer, how is it possible that God does not have a designer?
Because 'science' says the universe had a beginning and a cause.If God is special in that he's eternal and causeless, why is it not that our universe may be eternal and causeless?
Because in a few hundred years of study man has claimed to unlocked/comprehended the mysteries of this universe.If God is beyond human comprehension, why is it not just that our universe is beyond human comprehension?
In short God states to be infinite and unknowable beyond what has been revealed, on the other hand we/science has claimed to have unlocked nearly every mystery of the universe.If you're going the logical route and believe in intelligent design, I'd like to get your thoughts on those questions.
God is just there. There is no origin or beginning for God. He is eternal and causeless.
Our universe is eternal and causeless. No beginning and no end. Time will go forwards and backwards eternally, without cause.
Our universe is beyond human comprehension, at least this moment. Most of the universe is made up of what humans know so little - Dark Energy.
No, I do not believe in intelligent design. No, I do not believe in creationism. No, I do not believe in evolution. I do not believe in the Big Bang Theory. I accept the theory of evolution as a plausible theory for the explanation of the origin of species. I accept the Big Bang Theory as a plausible theory for the explanation of the evolution of the universe.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. All things were created through Him, and apart from Him not one thing was created that has been created. Life was in Him, and that life was the light of men. That light shines in the darkness, yet the darkness did not overcome it. [John 1:1-5]
Who or what would create the creator?
Because 'science' says the universe had a beginning and a cause.
Because in a few hundred years of study man has claimed to unlocked/comprehended the mysteries of this universe.
In short God states to be infinite and unknowable beyond what has been revealed, on the other hand we/science has claimed to have unlocked nearly every mystery of the universe.
If our universe is so complex that it couldn't have happened without a designer, how is it possible that God does not have a designer?
If God is special in that he's eternal and causeless, why is it not that our universe may be eternal and causeless?
If God is beyond human comprehension, why is it not just that our universe is beyond human comprehension?
So why do you say "God is just there."? Seems like very poor reasoning for any argument.
You are on the right track Hestha...except for the origin bit. God has no origin...he is eternal.I say that "God is just there," because I have read that piece of information from my DK book about the Bible. DK Publishing is a publishing house, famous for its reference/non-fiction books. I think that is what Christians believe, and to the best of my knowledge, I think that is part of Christian theology about God.
Hey, you're the one who asked what is the origin of God! So, I just report what I've read thus far. You are free to believe it or not believe it. I do not think the Bible really goes into detail about or explain the origin of God, so that part may be left up to personal conjecture.
Logically inconsistent? Let's follow that through for a bit...Nobody, there is no creator. That is why the intelligent design argument is logically inconsistent.
Logically inconsistent? Let's follow that through for a bit...
Do you believe that there are laws of logic?
Why can't a circle have right angles, or a fish have feathers? By definition, a circle has no right angles and fish have no feathers. Likewise, by definition God has no designer. If He did have a designer, then His designer would necessarily be superior to Him and thus His God. All you do by positing a designer of God is set the First Cause back a step. In any case, the concept of God, at least in the Christian worldview, necessarily entails that God is causeless. God cannot be God if He is not causeless just like a circle cannot be a circle if it has a right angle.
Because God is a Cause, the First Cause, in fact, while the universe is the effect of a cause. Mainstream secular science has established by way of the Big Bang Theory that the universe began to exist a finite time ago, which points very clearly to the universe being an effect, not a cause. "Ex nihilo, nihilo fit."
Also, there are serious logical problems with holding that the universe is infinite. For example, it is impossible for the universe to have arrived at the present moment because, if the universe has an infinite existence, there is an infinite span of time existing before this moment which is, because it is infinite, impossible to cross.
But the universe is not utterly beyond our comprehension.
In fact, there are many things about it that we do know. And some of those things indicate that the universe is finite and caused.
I say that "God is just there," because I have read that piece of information from my DK book about the Bible. DK Publishing is a publishing house, famous for its reference/non-fiction books. I think that is what Christians believe, and to the best of my knowledge, I think that is part of Christian theology about God.
Hey, you're the one who asked what is the origin of God! So, I just report what I've read thus far. You are free to believe it or not believe it. I do not think the Bible really goes into detail about or explain the origin of God, so that part may be left up to personal conjecture.
Logically inconsistent? Let's follow that through for a bit...
Do you believe that there are laws of logic?
No, not scientific laws...laws of logic. For example, the law of non-contradiction. The $100 bill in my walletLaws like gravity? That's a tough philosophical argument. I think logic is a way of thinking about things, and yes it is branched into different topics/fallacies.
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