Instructive Comparisons #2

[WAB]

INSTRUCTIVE COMPARISONS #2
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In reference to: The Church as a Spiritual building composed of Believers in the Lord Jesus Christ…
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Ephesians 2:19-22... “Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being fitted together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

1 Peter 2:5... “…you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.”

In reference to: Being dead to sin…
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Romans 6:1,2... “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?”

1 Peter 2:24.… “…who Himself (Christ, see vs. 21) bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness-- by whose stripes you were healed.”

Once again, we see that there is no difference in what Paul taught/wrote, with what Peter taught/wrote. To construct a false dichotomy between Paul and Peter is to denigrate the Word of God.

Shalom… WAB

 

[eph3Nine]

INSTRUCTIVE COMPARISONS #2​

In reference to: The Church as a Spiritual building composed of Believers in the Lord Jesus Christ…​

Ephesians 2:19-22... “Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being fitted together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

1 Peter 2:5... “…you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.”

In reference to: Being dead to sin…​

Romans 6:1,2... “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?”

1 Peter 2:24.… “…who Himself (Christ, see vs. 21) bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness-- by whose stripes you were healed.”

Once again, we see that there is no difference in what Paul taught/wrote, with what Peter taught/wrote. To construct a false dichotomy between Paul and Peter is to denigrate the Word of God.

Shalom… WAB

To refuse to acknowledge the vast difference that even Peter agreed to at the Jerusalem council is to be a poor student of the Word at best, and a deliberate deceiver at worst.

Peter taught Prophecy/law

Paul taught Mystery/GRACE

Two different dispensations my friend...and the gospel of the circumcision compared with the gospel of the UNcircumcision are indeed totally different.

You know NOT of what you speak.....hush, while you are ahead.Well really, its way too late for that...cuz you just have plain ole missed the entire boat.

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk

 

[thereselittleflower]

To refuse to acknowledge the vast difference that even Peter agreed to at the Jerusalem council is to be a poor student of the Word at best, and a deliberate deceiver at worst.

Peter taught Prophecy/law

Paul taught Mystery/GRACE

Two different dispensations my friend...and the gospel of the circumcision compared with the gospel of the UNcircumcision are indeed totally different.

You know NOT of what you speak.....hush, while you are ahead.Well really, its way too late for that...cuz you just have plain ole missed the entire boat.

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk

Eph, your promotion of 2 different gospels and 2 different kingdoms by Peter and Paul has been refuted several times by me today in several threads.

Must I do it here again too?



Paul preached the Gosple of God

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,


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Peter preached the Gospel of God:

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?


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They both preached the SAME Gospel!


Paul preached the kingdom of Christ.



Peter preached the kingdom of Christ.

2Pe 1:11 for thus shall be richly supplied unto you the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. ​

They both preached the SAME Kingdom!


Do we really need to go through this all over again?


When you are ready to have an intellectually honest discussion about this, let me know.



Peace

 

[WAB]

To refuse to acknowledge the vast difference that even Peter agreed to at the Jerusalem council is to be a poor student of the Word at best, and a deliberate deceiver at worst.

Peter taught Prophecy/law

Paul taught Mystery/GRACE

Two different dispensations my friend...and the gospel of the circumcision compared with the gospel of the UNcircumcision are indeed totally different.

You know NOT of what you speak.....hush, while you are ahead.Well really, its way too late for that...cuz you just have plain ole missed the entire boat.

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk

As tlf has pointed out with total clarity, Paul and Peter preached the same identical gospel and the same kingdom.

To point out one more error in your thinking/posting... you mis-use/confuse the words "to" and "of"...

You will not find the word "of" the circumcision, or the uncircumcision anywhere. Paul preached the gospel TO both the circumcision and the uncircumcision (Jew and Gentile).

Peter preached the gospel primarily TO the circumcision. Each one preached the same gospel.

Shalom... WAB

 

[eph3Nine]

As tlf has pointed out with total clarity, Paul and Peter preached the same identical gospel and the same kingdom.

To point out one more error in your thinking/posting... you mis-use/confuse the words "to" and "of"...

You will not find the word "of" the circumcision, or the uncircumcision anywhere. Paul preached the gospel TO both the circumcision and the uncircumcision (Jew and Gentile).

Peter preached the gospel primarily TO the circumcision. Each one preached the same gospel.

Shalom... WAB

Not that it will make any difference to those of you who are trusting NOT Christ, but in the water to save you....There are three separate threads with loads of information and scriptures showing that Paul indeed preached a totally DIFFERENT gospel than did Peter. NO one can honestly say that Judaism and the law are the same as Christianity and GRACE, unless they simply do not have a clue.

So , please avail yourself of all the scriptures that DO point you in the right direction. May God bless you as you consider a METANOIA MOMENT: iE; A CHANGE OF MIND.

 

[8TarHeel8]

As tlf has pointed out with total clarity, Paul and Peter preached the same identical gospel and the same kingdom.

To point out one more error in your thinking/posting... you mis-use/confuse the words "to" and "of"...

You will not find the word "of" the circumcision, or the uncircumcision anywhere. Paul preached the gospel TO both the circumcision and the uncircumcision (Jew and Gentile).

Peter preached the gospel primarily TO the circumcision. Each one preached the same gospel.

Shalom... WAB

WAB,

Paul did preach the gospel of the Kingdom (Matt 4:23, 9:35, 24:14, Acts 8:12) for a short time (Acts 20:25). He also preached the gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24). The differences are highlighted below:

The first gospel:

Gospel of the Kingdom (Matthew 4:23, 9:35, 24:14, Acts 8:12) (note: This is the Gospel to the circumcised (Gal 2:7) that Eph has mentioned)

the message: the Kingdom of heaven/God is at hand (Matthew 3:2, 4:17, 10:7, Mark 1:15)

Seen by the OT prophets?: Yes. (Isaiah 40:3, Malachi 3:1)

Sins forgiven how?: through repentance and water baptism (Mark 1:4, Acts 2:38)

Receive eternal life how?: Keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-17)

Justified how?: by works (and not faith alone) (James 2:20-24)

Under Levitical ordinances (Mosaic law)?: yes (Matthew 5:17-19, James 2:10)

The second gospel:

The gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24) also called "my gospel" (Romans 2:16, 16:25) and gospel to the uncircumcised (Gal 2:7) right Eph?

The message: Christ died for sins, was buried and God raised him from the dead (1 Cor 15:3-4)

Did those dudes in the OT see this coming?: NO! This was according the revelation of the mystery. (Romans 16:25)

Sins forgiven how? through redemption in Christ and his shed blood (Romans 3:24, Eph 1:7)

Justified and Saved how? By grace through faith apart from works (Romans 4:6, Eph 2:8-9)

Under the law?: Absolutely NOT! under Grace (Romans 6:14)

 

[thereselittleflower]

WAB,

Paul did preach the gospel of the Kingdom (Matt 4:23, 9:35, 24:14, Acts 8:12) for a short time (Acts 20:25). He also preached the gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24). The differences are highlighted below:

The first gospel:

Gospel of the Kingdom (Matthew 4:23, 9:35, 24:14, Acts 8:12) (note: This is the Gospel to the circumcised (Gal 2:7) that Eph has mentioned)

the message: the Kingdom of heaven/God is at hand (Matthew 3:2, 4:17, 10:7, Mark 1:15)

Seen by the OT prophets?: Yes. (Isaiah 40:3, Malachi 3:1)

Sins forgiven how?: through repentance and water baptism (Mark 1:4, Acts 2:38)

Receive eternal life how?: Keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-17)

Justified how?: by works (and not faith alone) (James 2:20-24)

Under Levitical ordinances (Mosaic law)?: yes (Matthew 5:17-19, James 2:10)

The second gospel:

The gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24) also called "my gospel" (Romans 2:16, 16:25) and gospel to the uncircumcised (Gal 2:7) right Eph?

The message: Christ died for sins, was buried and God raised him from the dead (1 Cor 15:3-4)

Did those dudes in the OT see this coming?: NO! This was according the revelation of the mystery. (Romans 16:25)

Sins forgiven how? through redemption in Christ and his shed blood (Romans 3:24, Eph 1:7)

Justified and Saved how? By grace through faith apart from works (Romans 4:6, Eph 2:8-9)

Under the law?: Absolutely NOT! under Grace (Romans 6:14)

The differences you see are due to a too simplistic approach to understanding scripture.


Scripture states uniquivocably that both peter and Paul preached the Gospel of God

Both preached the Kingdom of Christ

Boith were commissioned by God to go, each, to both the Jews and the Gentiles.


Peter lived as a Gentile. . . not as a Jew.



The evidence is overwhelming against your position above.



Peace

 

[8TarHeel8]

The differences you see are due to a too simplistic approach to understanding scripture.


Scripture states uniquivocably that both peter and Paul preached the Gospel of God

My post above doesn't mention Peter. Paul identifies a distinction between the 'gospel of the grace of God' and 'preaching the Kingdom':

"But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, so that I may finish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God. "And now, behold, I know that all of you, among whom I went about preaching the kingdom, will no longer see my face. (Acts 20:24-25)

Do you really think there is no difference? Let's try this another way. The obvious difference is the message itself. Christ is preaching a Gospel in Mark:

Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." (Mark 1:14-15)

Paul is preaching a Gospel in 1 Corinthians:

Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, (1 Cor 15:1-4)

The gospel of God that Jesus was preaching was: The time is fufilled and the Kingdom of God is at hand.

That is NOT the same as Paul's "my gospel" (Romans 2:16, 16:25) as found in Paul's letters saying: Christ died for sins and was buried and was raised from the dead.

Christ could not preach himself crucified three years before he died.

 

[thereselittleflower]

My post above doesn't mention Peter. Paul identifies a distinction between the 'gospel of the grace of God' and 'preaching the Kingdom':

"But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, so that I may finish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God. "And now, behold, I know that all of you, among whom I went about preaching the kingdom, will no longer see my face. (Acts 20:24-25)

Do you really think there is no difference?

There no essential difference to the point of our discussion.




Look at what you quoted again!

Act 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
Act 20:25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.



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One is referring to the Gospel, the other the Kingdom.

The gospel is the preaching of the kingdom, the good news. the kingdom of God is at hand.

The kingdom of God and the kingdom of Christ are the same.




Paul tells us that Gentile believers are called to the Kingdom of God:

1Th 2:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.



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Jewish believers are called to the kingdom of God:

Col 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.




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Paul tells us all believers are partakers in the kingdom of Christ

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:



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Paul tells us that the kingdom of Christ and the kingdom of God ARE ONE AND THE SAME:

Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God



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The word KINGDOM is in the SINGULAR . . . it speaks of ONE kingdom . . not two.

Paul did not say in the kingdoms


Jesus came to give us the Gospel of God, the Good News, to usher us into the kingdom of God, the kingdom of Grace, the Kindom of Christ.

The artificial distinctions you are making are clouding the issue.


Let me put this another way . .


The Gospel is the MESSAGE OF the Kingdom!


There is ONE kingdom, ONE message, ONE Gospel!



Peace

 

[eph3Nine]

Tarheel...none so blind as those who WILL not see! Wink

Excellent post for those who actually READ the Word and BELIEVE what the words SAY! Two thumbs up.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Tarheel...none so blind as those who WILL not see! Wink

Excellent post for those who actually READ the Word and BELIEVE what the words SAY! Two thumbs up.

eph, the scriptures that contradict your position on two gospels, two kingdoms, etc have been presented numerous times already.

You have consistantly chosen to ignore them.


When you are ready to discuss this with us with intellectual honesty, let us know.



Peace

 

[WAB]

Not that it will make any difference to those of you who are trusting NOT Christ, but in the water to save you....There are three separate threads with loads of information and scriptures showing that Paul indeed preached a totally DIFFERENT gospel than did Peter. NO one can honestly say that Judaism and the law are the same as Christianity and GRACE, unless they simply do not have a clue.

So , please avail yourself of all the scriptures that DO point you in the right direction. May God bless you as you consider a METANOIA MOMENT: iE; A CHANGE OF MIND.

Am well aware that there are those who believe that water baptism is essential to salvation... If so, then the thief on the cross missed out.

I have never held that belief, and so please don't tar everyone with the same brush.

On the other hand, you have been shown over and over that Paul and his companions baptized many in water, and that subsequent to his having had the "mysteries" revealed to him.

You do make a true statement above... "No one can honestly say that Judaism and the law are the same as Christianity and GRACE..." Who said that??? NOT I...

Nevertheless... Shalom... WAB

 

[8TarHeel8]

eph, the scriptures that contradict your position on two gospels, two kingdoms, etc have been presented numerous times already.

You have consistantly chosen to ignore them.


When you are ready to discuss this with us with intellectual honesty, let us know.



Peace

Ok, I'm going to try this again. You have Jesus preaching a Gospel in Mark, correct??

Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." (Mark 1:14-15)

John the Baptist preached that the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Jesus instructed his disciples to do the same, correct??

Now in those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 3:1-2)

These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: "Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.' (Matthew 10:5-7)

You are trying to say that this is the same gospel that Paul is preaching in 1st Corinthians, correct??

Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, (1 Cor 15:1-4)

Did somebody forget to mention this to John the Baptist, Jesus and the twelve? The essential fact is that nobody could preach Christ crucified and raised from the dead before those events take place. What you are asking me and others to believe is that you can preach a gospel of an event that hasn't taken place. Beyond that, who asked Israel to crucify Christ for anybody's sins, thereselittleflower? Israel was to believe in the gospel of the Kingdom and accept Christ as their King and NOT CRUCIFY HIM! John the Baptist preached the gospel of the Kingdom. They jailed him and beheaded him. Jesus did the same and Israel yelled "crucify him!" when Pilate asked what should be done with him. Peter identifies this act of crucifixion, not as the good news Paul says it is but rather as a crime!:

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ--this Jesus whom you crucified." (Acts 2:36)

Does that sound like a ringing endorsement to you? And yet, the Apostle Paul comes along much later and preaches this crucifixion (along with Christ's burial and ressurection) as a gospel (good news) message which when believed with the heart results in salvation.

Here's my question to you. Where did anybody get the idea to preach Christ crucified before Paul was raised up in Acts 9? Please identify for me a single instance where Israel was being asked to believe in Christ's death, burial and resurrection before those events even take place. Please tell me you understand that even after Christ was raised from the dead, the apostles refused to believe it!

Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. She went and reported to those who had been with Him, while they were mourning and weeping. When they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they refused to believe it. (Mark 16:9-11)


But that's Paul's gospel which is to be believed for salvation and yet these apostles refused to believe it?? I'm confused. Were the apostles not saved individuals? Could Christ have sent out unsaved people to preach the gospel?

 

[thereselittleflower]

Ok, I'm going to try this again. You have Jesus preaching a Gospel in Mark, correct??

Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." (Mark 1:14-15)

John the Baptist preached that the Kingdom of heaven was at hand. Jesus instructed his disciples to do the same, correct??

Now in those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 3:1-2)

These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: "Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.' (Matthew 10:5-7)

You are trying to say that this is the same gospel that Paul is preaching in 1st Corinthians, correct??

Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, (1 Cor 15:1-4)

Did somebody forget to mention this to John the Baptist, Jesus and the twelve? The essential fact is that nobody could preach Christ crucified and raised from the dead before those events take place. What you are asking me and others to believe is that you can preach a gospel of an event that hasn't taken place. Beyond that, who asked Israel to crucify Christ for anybody's sins, thereselittleflower? Israel was to believe in the gospel of the Kingdom and accept Christ as their King and NOT CRUCIFY HIM! John the Baptist preached the gospel of the Kingdom. They jailed him and beheaded him. Jesus did the same and Israel yelled "crucify him!" when Pilate asked what should be done with him. Peter identifies this act of crucifixion, not as the good news Paul says it is but rather as a crime!:

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ--this Jesus whom you crucified." (Acts 2:36)

Does that sound like a ringing endorsement to you? And yet, the Apostle Paul comes along much later and preaches this crucifixion (along with Christ's burial and ressurection) as a gospel (good news) message which when believed with the heart results in salvation.

Here's my question to you. Where did anybody get the idea to preach Christ crucified before Paul was raised up in Acts 9? Please identify for me a single instance where Israel was being asked to believe in Christ's death, burial and resurrection before those events even take place. Please tell me you understand that even after Christ was raised from the dead, the apostles refused to believe it!

Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. She went and reported to those who had been with Him, while they were mourning and weeping. When they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they refused to believe it. (Mark 16:9-11)


But that's Paul's gospel which is to be believed for salvation and yet these apostles refused to believe it?? I'm confused. Were the apostles not saved individuals? Could Christ have sent out unsaved people to preach the gospel?

Dispy .. I am finding your logic hard to follow . .


For instance. . .

Here's my question to you. Where did anybody get the idea to preach Christ crucified before Paul was raised up in Acts 9? Please identify for me a single instance where Israel was being asked to believe in Christ's death, burial and resurrection before those events even take place. Please tell me you understand that even after Christ was raised from the dead, the apostles refused to believe it!

Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. She went and reported to those who had been with Him, while they were mourning and weeping. When they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they refused to believe it. (Mark 16:9-11)

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This makes no sense. . .

You present the time of the Resurrection of Jesus and the Apostles as not believing the REPORT that He was risen as somehow supportive of your positoin.

I see absolutely no support for your position in that story at all! I am really scratching my head on this one . .. Please help me to understand what it is you see.


The Apostles did not believe the report because they had been traumatized by His death.

You are not making any sense to me Dispy.

This is a very natural response. Their faith was weak. They had been broken.

I find their disbelief based on a REPORT of another quite natural. They needed the evidence to restore their faith and hope.

They became eyewitnesses to the Resurrection. Faith and hope was restored.


Peace

 

[8TarHeel8]

Dispy .. I am finding your logic hard to follow . .






For instance. . .

Here's my question to you. Where did anybody get the idea to preach Christ crucified before Paul was raised up in Acts 9? Please identify for me a single instance where Israel was being asked to believe in Christ's death, burial and resurrection before those events even take place. Please tell me you understand that even after Christ was raised from the dead, the apostles refused to believe it!

Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. She went and reported to those who had been with Him, while they were mourning and weeping. When they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they refused to believe it. (Mark 16:9-11)





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This makes no sense. . .

You present the time of the Resurrection of Jesus and the Apostles as not believing the REPORT that He was risen as somehow supportive of your positoin.

I see absolutely no support for your position in that story at all! I am really scratching my head on this one . .. Please help me to understand what it is you see.


The Apostles did not believe the report because they had been traumatized by His death.

You are not making any sense to me Dispy.

This is a very natural response. Their faith was weak. They had been broken.

I find their disbelief based on a REPORT of another quite natural. They needed the evidence to restore their faith and hope.

They became eyewitnesses to the Resurrection. Faith and hope was restored.


Peace

I'm sorry but you missed my point while completely overlooking several others. Let's try this one more time.

This is the apostle Paul telling you and I and everyone else the Gospel that he preached among the gentiles (Gal 1:16, 2:2):

Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, (1 Cor 15:1-4 (NASB))

Question #1 to you: Do agree that Paul is preaching the gospel that Christ died for sins and was raised from the dead?? YES or NO??

Jesus is seen preaching the gospel of God (Mark 1:14) which is the gospel of the Kingdom (Matthew 4:23, 9:35, 24:14, Acts 8:12) which says that the Kingdom of heaven/God is at hand (Matthew 3:2, 4:17, 10:7, Mark 1:15).

Question #2 to you: If you answered YES to question #1, Do you believe that the gospel of God preached by John the Baptist, Jesus and the twelve was that Christ died for sins to be raised from the dead?? YES or NO??

Question #3 to you: If you answered YES to question #2, explain how it is possible for anyone to preach Christ crucified and risen BEFORE any of that takes place??

 

[heymikey80]

Did somebody forget to mention this to John the Baptist, Jesus and the twelve? The essential fact is that nobody could preach Christ crucified and raised from the dead before those events take place.

Well that's largely because we tend to lump everything together and try to deal with it as "the Gospel".

What's John-t-B's gospel? "Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!"

What's Jesus' Gospel? "Repent, for the Son of Man is returning as Messiah and the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!"

What's Paul's Gospel? "Repent and rely on the Son of Man, the Messiah Who was raised from the dead as proof: the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!"

Paul's Gospel of the Resurrection only has force if it's the Resurrection of the Messiah -- the Resurrection of Christ. Then it has some good news to it about the return of the King. Otherwise it's a resurrection. A miracle, sure. But not terribly good news.

The cool part about the Resurrection is that it's of the King, the Ruler over all has been saved from death! And we will too as we ally and rely on the Ruler of the Universe!

Paul addresses, "Just how am I going to be forgiven through repentance and faith in God's favor?" But it works even if you don't know how. A helicopter works even if you don't know how. The Gospel does too. It is implicit in John-t-B's "Repent!"; it's referred to in Jesus' preaching. But even explicitly it's not limited to Paul. John the Apostle declares the same Atonement logic, pointblank. In fact the Gospel of John the Apostle says Jesus declared the same pointblank.

I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh. Jn 6:51
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So it's here. In Jesus' ministry, in John's ministry, in Paul's ministry. It expands over time, sure. Revelation progresses as more words are said. But it exists in the early ministries of the Gospel.

More places where this appears: in Acts people are turning in reliance on Jesus as relief for rejecting Him before; there Jesus is the suffering sacrifice for sins in Isaiah 53 (Ethiopian Eunuch); in Luke Jesus is the point & purpose of all the Old Testament (Road to Emmaus). In Hebrews Jesus is the sacrificial fulfilment of the Old Testament Mosaic concepts (Hebrews).