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If God instituted the sabbath at creation, it would be clear in the scriptures that all men should observe the sabbath.
Make you best efforts to present for our understnding what God has declares to the world about the sabbath.

God called the seventh day holy at creation.

Because Moses understood how the seventh was made holy at creation he told the people to rest on the seventh day even before Mt Sinai.

Now, at Mt. Sinai, God commands us to remember to keep the seventh day holy, referring us back to creation when He made the day Holy. He even tells us how to do keep it holy by ceasing from normal everyday work.

God didn't make the seventh day holy at Mt. Sinai, but rather, He reminded us to keep it holy, referring us back to creation when He made the seventh day holy.

Moses didn't make the seventh day holy in Exodus 16 nor did God because Moses already understood the seventh day to be a holy day that he even called it the Sabbath of the Lord.
 
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God called the seventh day holy at creation.
Yes, "because" He was finished and rested according to the scripture. Here we go with your spin.

Because Moses understood how the seventh was made holy at creation he told the people to rest on the seventh day even before Mt Sinai.
Spin cycle, God called it a test to prove them. Moses did'nt know anything till God commanded Moses according to Exd 16:4
Now, at Mt. Sinai, God commands us to remember to keep the seventh day holy, referring us back to creation when He made the day Holy. He even tells us how to do keep it holy by ceasing from normal everyday work.
Spin again....The word remember could also mean "keep" rather than referring back to creation. The fact that verse 11 point back to creation by saying..Exd 20:11For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day:

....Helps to prove that Ex20:8 is the command not an explanation, because the other verses in that commandment tells "how" and "why" to keep it holy.
Moses reenforces that verse 8 was as an absolute command. So it cannot be looking back to creation.
Moses said; Deu 5:4The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:12¶Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

Moses did not say here God reminded you of His creation instituted sabbath.
Moses said the Lord commanded you to keep the sabbath Holy.
If Moses had said God said Remember, then commentary might have reasonable argument.




wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
"Wherefore" means "this is why."

So it can be understood or considered that both God's rest was blessed and made Holy and the sabbath was also blessed and made holy as a sign for the COI to keep.

God didn't make the seventh day holy at Mt. Sinai, but rather, He reminded us to keep it holy, referring us back to creation when He made the seventh day holy.
No, the text proves He made the sabbath holy at Mt Sinai

Moses didn't make the seventh day holy in Exodus 16 nor did God because Moses already understood the seventh day to be a holy day that he even called it the Sabbath of the Lord.
Sayin Whatever, with no text to support your commentary.:doh:


KJV - Exd 20:8 -Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.


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YNG - Exd 20:8 -`Remember the Sabbath-day to sanctify it;


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HNV - Exd 20:8 -"Remember the day of Shabbat, to keep it holy.


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VUL - Exd 20:8 -memento ut diem sabbati sanctifices


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WLC - Exd 20:8 -זָכֹור אֶת־יֹום הַשַּׁבָּת לְקַדְּשֹֽׁו



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LXX - Exd 20:8 -μνήσθητι τὴν ἡμέραν τῶν σαββάτων ἁγιάζειν αὐτήν

Help him be truthful Lord.
 
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Yes, "because" He was finished and rested according to the scripture. Here we go with your spin.

Spin cycle, God called it a test to prove them. Moses did'nt know anything till God commanded Moses according to Exd 16:4
Spin again....The word remember could also mean "keep" rather than referring back to creation. The fact that verse 11 point back to creation by saying..Exd 20:11For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day:

....Helps to prove that Ex20:8 is the command not an explanation, because the other verses in that commandment tells "how" and "why" to keep it holy.
Moses reenforces that verse 8 was as an absolute command. So it cannot be looking back to creation.
Moses said; Deu 5:4The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:12¶Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

Moses did not say here God reminded you of His creation instituted sabbath.
Moses said the Lord commanded you to keep the sabbath Holy.
If Moses had said God said Remember, then commentary might have reasonable argument.

wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
"Wherefore" means "this is why."

So it can be understood or considered that both God's rest was blessed and made Holy and the sabbath was also blessed and made holy as a sign for the COI to keep.

No, the text proves He made the sabbath holy at Mt Sinai

Sayin Whatever, with no text to support your commentary.:doh:


KJV - Exd 20:8 -Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.


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NKJV - Exd 20:8 -"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.


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NLT - Exd 20:8 -"Remember to observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.


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NIV - Exd 20:8 -“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.


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ESV - Exd 20:8 -"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.


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RVR - Exd 20:8 -Acuérdate del día de reposo para santificarlo.


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NASB - Exd 20:8 -"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.


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RSV - Exd 20:8 -"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.


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ASV - Exd 20:8 -Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.


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YNG - Exd 20:8 -`Remember the Sabbath-day to sanctify it;


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DBY - Exd 20:8 -Remember the sabbath day to hallow it.


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WEB - Exd 20:8 -Remember the sabbath-day to keep it holy.


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HNV - Exd 20:8 -"Remember the day of Shabbat, to keep it holy.


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LXX - Exd 20:8 -μνήσθητι τὴν ἡμέραν τῶν σαββάτων ἁγιάζειν αὐτήν

Help him be truthful Lord.

God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it at its creation.

Genesis 2:3 God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

It does't matter why He blessed and sanctifed the seventh day, the important thing to grasp is the fact that the seventh day is blessed, sanctifed and holy. It's a memorial of creation. When kept holy it's a sign that shows we worship the God of creation. It's a sign when kept holy that shows it's the God of creation who is sanctifying us.

The fourth commandment says,"Remember to keep it holy". Moses didn't make it holy nor was it made holy in Exodus 16. It was already holy prior to. All God told Moses to do in Exodus 16 was to gather twice as much manna on the sixth day, it was Moses who understood why. Because the seventh day was made holy at creation. Go back and read it.

Now, after all the time I've spent with you trying to open your eyes if you haven't gotten yet I will have to leave it to God if He so chooses to open your eyes. The only thing I will leave you with is that if you've made peace with God you will make peace with His Law because the two are one and unchanging.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
 
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God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it at its creation.

Genesis 2:3 God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
Moses articulatedly said the seventh day was blessed and santified because He rested. This implies that the blessing and santification did not come before He rested. That alone prove that the seventh day or sabbath did not prexisted

It does't matter why He blessed and sanctifed the seventh day, the important thing to grasp is the fact that the seventh day is blessed, sanctifed and holy. It's a memorial of creation. When kept holy it's a sign that shows we worship the God of creation. It's a sign when kept holy that shows it's the God of creation who is sanctifying us.
Wow, I agree, except, two scriptural reason associated with the sabbath, that you cannot easily negate. 1. It was given as a sign for the COI to be separate from all other nations. 2. It was a sign of the covenant made only between God anf the COI.

How could God give it at creation for all mankind if He says that it's a sign between Him and one people? Commentary cannot be right.
The fourth commandment says,"Remember to keep it holy". Moses didn't make it holy nor was it made holy in Exodus 16. It was already holy prior to. All God told Moses to do in Exodus 16 was to gather twice as much manna on the sixth day, it was Moses who understood why. Because the seventh day was made holy at creation. Go back and read it.

Now, after all the time I've spent with you trying to open your eyes if you haven't gotten yet I will have to leave it to God if He so chooses to open your eyes. The only thing I will leave you with is that if you've made peace with God you will make peace with His Law because the two are one and unchanging.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
Yakity, yakity Yak...try applying the scripture to understanding rather than trying to force your "trained commentary" on people.

The text in question does not say "remember the seventh day", it says "remember the sabbath". People who memorize it, need to study what is actually says.
If anything, they had been eating manna for almost 3yrs. They had been keeping sabbath.
At Sinai they were given sabbath as a law.
Your comments add to the scriptures as if God took a sabbath at creation.
If God had worked the following week, you'd have a point.
God did not set a pattern as some other SDA commentary says.
The reason they kept manna as a memorial, was to remember and prove that their history and expiriences to their other generations.
Manna was not given to other nations.

Stop trying to hijack the culture of the Jews. They still exist, and they sneer at SDA knowledge and application of their sabbath.

Have fun
 
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one thing that needs to be asked here is what is the origin of the book of Genesis?

1. Did Moses write it or....
2. Was it written before Moses or....
3. Was the information written down prior to Moses, but assembled at the time of Moses in its current form, or....
4. was it written After moses about 1000 bc.

What you believe about the origins of Genesis do influence the way you look at Exodus.
 
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one thing that needs to be asked here is what is the origin of the book of Genesis?

1. Did Moses write it or....
2. Was it written before Moses or....
3. Was the information written down prior to Moses, but assembled at the time of Moses in its current form, or....
4. was it written After moses about 1000 bc.

What you believe about the origins of Genesis do influence the way you look at Exodus.

Hopefull you wont hijack this thread by questioning whether the bible is a fairy tale or not. We're referencing the bible as the word of God.

This OP is about proving when the sabbath was instituted...thanks for your contributions on this topic.:thumbsup:
 
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Divinely instituted, the Sabbath comes to us from creation and is sustained throughout the Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation.

Sabbath: Ignored, neglected; too busy to observe, too many plans for interruptions. Sabbath: Good intentions awry. Conscience pricked from weekly reminder of appointment with God. Sabbath: Old-fashioned, out-moded. Impossible in our modern age. Sabbath: Despised. Attacked. Sabbath: Old Testament. Jewish. Nailed to the cross. Done away with; replaced by grace. Such selective views on inspiration and the authority of the Scriptures belie Protestant claims to base their faith on sola scriptura rather than tradition. No other prominent theological tenet, a divine command no less, is muted by Christians with as much silence on the subject. Except to demean the day and encourage disregard for the Sabbath, you will not find titles in Christian bookstores on this clear Scriptural teaching. We seem afraid to discuss the issue. What do we fear? For over thirty years I have served as an Army chaplain, yet today is the first time a chaplain not of my ecclesiastical endorsement has publicly addressed the topic; my commendations to Chaplain James King for his openness and honesty. I deeply appreciate him risking dialogue and sharing his pulpit with me this morning.

Divinely instituted, the Sabbath comes to us from creation and is sustained throughout the Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation. What does shabbath mean? Simply put shabbath means "ceasing" or "resting." In the textual passage of Hebrews, chapters 3 and 4, the Greek words translated "rest" convey four aspects of resting. Paul recounts Israel's quest for rest from their slavery and wilderness wanderings to the Promised Land. Like the Children of Israel, we too, seek physical rest, deliverance from labor. In a world that promises so much relief from work, that has so many conveniences and labor-saving devices, and provides abundant leisure time, the need for rest seems strange. The truth reveals the opposite. Americans work more and enjoy it less. While many Europeans average 34 hours on the job, Americans laborers spend 44 and managers over 50+ hours per week working. We are a people driven by our obsessions and resulting depressions. The need for relief from our endless search for satisfaction and security turns many to chemical dependency and revolving relationships. Our disbelief in God's remedy of shabbath/sabbatismos, resting, prevents the divine cure for our spiritual insomnia.

Second, Paul observed that the Children of Israel, once they had been established in Canaan as a nation, also failed to enter the rest of relationship God intended for His chosen people. God's purpose in choosing the Israelites as His people was not based on their merits anymore than our being chosen for salvation is based on our deserving such status. Listen to how Moses and Peter say virtually the same thing.

The Lord did not set His affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. But it was because the Lord loved you and kept the oath He swore to your forefathers... Deuteronomy 7:7 - 9:29. You are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His wonderful light. Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. I Peter 2:9, 10.

Israel turned their status inward. Rather than proclaim the living Creator as the true God to the world, they twisted God's blessings into evidence of their own righteousness and made His provisions for their spiritual development an exclusive system of distorted legalism. Their rejection of the rest God intended for the benefit of the whole world resulted in idolatry and captivity. Though Christians would never fall into that same trap, we have swayed on the pendulum to the other egocentric extreme and determined for ourselves what part of God's plan and will agrees with convenient tradition and preconceived opinions. Then we dare call our arrogance faithful service to God. Silence is not always consent; sometimes its passive aggression, spiritual rebellion.

Drawing lessons from the past, Paul admonishes Christians to accept Christ's invitation to spiritual rest, "Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and my burden is light." Matthew 11:28-30. The greatest cause of weariness is not physical labor or mental exertion. Emotional distress, conflict and spiritual uncertainty drain and tire our souls most. Jesus understands our human burdens and trials. He experienced them all. Sorely tempted far more than we can ever comprehend, Jesus persevered and conquered the devil using only the same powers available to you and me - trust in God's Word and obedience to His Father's will. Yet, unlike you and me, Hebrews 4:14-16 tells us our Saviour and Lord never sinned. That is why we can approach the "throne of grace with confidence," not in ourselves, but in His perfect righteousness, and find peace and rest.

Fourth, Paul affirms again the sovereignty of God as Creator and Ruler of the universe. As man's source of life, the Creator knows what is best for the creatures He has made. And even if resting is unnecessary for divinity (after all, God does not get tired from a little creating), the divine declaration that the Sabbath is set aside as holy, sacred time for man is sufficient justification for obedient observance. Whether or not man thinks God's rest is arbitrary or convenient does not abrogate the Sabbath remaining for the people of God. "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their (Israel's) example of disobedience." Hebrews 4:9-11.

What does the Bible teach about Jesus and the Sabbath? From my study five principles stand out. Briefly stated those principles exemplify the relationship between God and man. They are non-negotiable.

1. The Sabbath defines who we are. We are created beings, made in the image of the Creator for His honor and glory. Creatureliness implies; nay, requires a creator. Hence, man's innate desire to worship. In denying his divine origin, man turned to self-worship and sought some rational basis for existence by developing so-called scientific theories like evilution. Believing in evolution requires more faith than accepting biblical creationism. My son was a research hydrologist . As one of the few creationists at his work-place, he was keenly aware of evolution's unscientific subjectivity and futile attempts to explain life. Evolution proudly asserts humanity's independence from God; no savior needed. The Sabbath testifies weekly of our origin; it commemorates Creation and the Creator. Genesis 2:1-3 and the Fourth Commandment explicitly establish yom, Hebrew for a literal 24-hour evening and morning day, as the Sabbath to be remembered, observed as sacred time for remembering our Creator and resting in His care.

2. As a measurement of time, the week is unnatural. Its source is creation and it is marked by the Sabbath. All other measurements of time are derived from known astrological events. Attempts to change the seven days weekly cycle have ended in failure. The Sabbath is God's gift of time to man given for the purpose of enhancing relationships with the Creator, the Lord's people and families. Any other use violates holy time and the Lord's purpose for us on that day. Profaning the Sabbath keeps us from receiving the full blessing the Lord wants to bestow on us.

If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord's day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words, then you will find your joy (rest) in the Lord, and I will cause you to ride on the heights of the land and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob. The mouth of the Lord has spoken. Isaiah 58:13 and 14.

3. The Sabbath symbolizes salvation. All religion uses symbols to teach and convey spiritual truths. Christianity is the most temporal of all religions. As a master teacher, Jesus used everyday things of this world to illustrate the kingdom of heaven. Fourteen times He said, "The kingdom of heaven is like..." By refraining from his own works of taking care of himself six days man demonstrates practical faith in dependency on God's saving/sustaining power. Secular worldly pursuits are replaced with worship, devotional study/prayer, fellowship with one's family and church, and learning about the Creator by studying nature. The Sabbath pause halts the frantic pace of life and provides time for inspired reflection, renewal, reconciliation and redemption. It restores the whole person spiritually, relationally, volitionally, emotionally, mentally and physically.

4. The Sabbath is eternal. Neither Jesus Christ, the Apostles, nor the Scriptures abolish the Sabbath. Just because the Church has neglected teaching the sanctity of the Sabbath does not make it right to ignore or forget to keep the day holy. Jesus often took to task the theologians of His day for their transgressions. He said, "These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. They worship Me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men." Mark 7:6, 7. "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." Matthew 7:21. Speaking of the new earth for the redeemed, the prophet Isaiah describes all mankind worshipping before the Lord "from one Sabbath to another." Then three words are added showing that this prophecy was not some human prophet's fanciful dream, "says the Lord." From earth's creation to re-creation of the New Earth, and throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity the Sabbath continues as acknowledgement of God's creative and redemptive power.

5. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Referring to Himself, Christ declared, "The Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath." Mark 2:28. As its author, the Sabbath testifies of Christ. All of the above principles have their foundation and focus in Christ. The fundamental teaching under-pinning Christianity declares Jesus Christ to be the Son of the Living God. Though you and I can never fully understand the Incarnation, that mysterious blending of divinity and humanity, we accept on faith Jesus was who the Scriptures declare God to be.



Source: Gary R. Councell (2010) Creation Sabbath
Creation Sabbath | Jesus and the Sabbath
 
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...

Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made.

In Him was life, and that life was the light of men... The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1-4 and 14.

For by Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities, all things were created by Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him
all things hold together. Colossians 1:16, 17.

Nearly one fifth of the New Testament consists of quotes or references from the Old Testament. The Apostles were keenly familiar with the Scriptures of their day, which was not the King James Version of the Bible, but the Hebraic First Testament and possibly its Greek translation known as the Septuagint. Now follow closely Paul's arguments in proving the divinity of Christ to early believers. He refers to the history of God's dealings with Israel and retraces their familiar historical highlights as recorded in Psalms 104 and 105, and the ninth chapter of Nehemiah. Listen carefully to verses 9-21 of Nehemiah 9 and then the comparison Paul makes in I Corinthians 10:1-4.

For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers (and sisters), that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the
same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

Who was the God of the Old Testament? None other than Jesus Christ. The Son of God led His people out of Egypt, through the Red Sea and into the wilderness. He was the Great Lawgiver who wrote the Ten Commandments and gave His Law to Moses on Mount Sinai. He is the Creator not only of you and me, but also of the Sabbath. Both Isaiah and James declare the Lord as our Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and destroy. How dare puny man defy our great God by standing Him up every week on the appointment He has made for meeting with us during the time He created for that very purpose of relationship with His children!

Most Christians acknowledge the Sabbath is biblical, but say it is unimportant. So long as God is worshipped one hour a week with time off for good behavior and other interruptions like Super-bowl, good-weather golf, overtime pay, shopping for sales, etc., that is sufficient. In essence, we replace God's religious requirement with our own discount devising and bargain basement brand of faith. Even if you buy the popular concept that the Ten Commandments are no longer binding for "remembering the Sabbath day to keep it holy," what do you do about fulfilling "the law of Christ." Galatians 6:2.

If one claims to follow Christ and walk in His steps, we have the obligation to follow His example on earth. The Apostle Peter puts the "law of Christ" this way: "To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His steps, and grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." I Peter 2:21 and II Peter 3:18. We are to "walk even as He walked." I John 2:6. That perfect example is recorded in the Gospels. It cannot be improved on. Rejecting it only opens up cans of Christian conjecture and leads to the temptation for substituting human invention. "Lead us not into such folly." Such violation of the law of Christ is at best, weak inconsistency; and at worse, cheap pretense.

I am always amused at the shallow argument that the Sabbath is Jewish and only intended for them. Tragically, the people using such illogic are usually ardent Christians who forget in the zeal of an argument that Jesus was a Jew. Following their line of thought would lead one to conclude that since Christ was Jewish, only Jews can be Christians. Salvation was only intended for Jews. Us Gentiles were born to be fuel for hell. Or worse, the Jewish Christ has been done away with and replaced by some mythical saint of our own devising. Totally unbiblical.

Dr. Luke emphasizes Jesus keeping/observing the Sabbath. "On the Sabbath day He went into the synagogue, as was His custom." Luke 4:16. As our example in how to live a life of faith, Jesus worshipped on the Sabbath every Sabbath of His life on earth, and even rested in the tomb over the Sabbath from His work of saving man. He would never violate and break the very laws He Himself authored and asked mankind to keep and observe.

The Sabbath is a day for doing good; Jesus said, "It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." Matthew 12:12. One fifth of the recorded miracles attributed to Jesus were done on the Sabbath. Jesus came to free men from not only the burdens of sin and sickness, but also from the religious traditions and dogma whose sole purpose is to control, dominate and limit man from knowing truth, right, good and the love of God.

In Christ's time the Sabbath was encumbered with over 600 laws recorded in the Mishnah. These man-made rules Jesus rightly brushed aside as burdensome, but He never threw the proverbial baby out with the dirty bath water. And neither should Christians today. Jesus rightly restored the divine purpose of the Sabbath with this pronouncement; "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." Mark 2:27. The time has come "to restore the breach" in this Christian requirement and practice.

Even if you do not buy the concept of Sabbath for religious reasons, sociologists are advocating it for other anthropological benefits. Some of those benefits are slowing the fast pace of life in which time is out of whack. Nothing stops in America. Around the clock TV, Wal-Mart, and travel. Our highly secular, materialistic world stresses success by over-achieving, over-producing, over-doing without ever being.

Tragically, when Christians desecrate the Sabbath, we dishonor the Creator; and when we dishonor the Creator, we deny Christ as our Lord and Saviour. The powerful witness of living and being at rest, sabbatismos as Paul calls it in Hebrews 4, is lost. Our Lord Jesus put the test of discipleship simply, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." Over and over He repeats this requirement in John 14 and 15. This is not some legalistic mechanism for earning salvation, or obtaining grace through works. Rather loyal service reveals whether or not one's claim to be under grace generates enough joy and gratitude to live obediently in accordance with the expressed will of God and example of Jesus, notwithstanding convenience or popularity.

I realize these thoughts may open new ground for many in their Christian walk. I do not judge those who have never known, but neither can I conscientiously refrain from lighting the Scriptural truth of this fundamental Christian doctrine that leads to rest and peace of a Sabbath relationship with Jesus. In closing look again in Hebrews chapter four, verse 12.

The Bible declares the human "heart is deceitful above all things" (Jeremiah 17:9), desperately wicked and beyond knowing one's own motivations. In this delicate matter of responding to God's revealed will, He has promised to "search the heart and examine the mind" (Jeremiah 17:10).

He does this through the Holy Spirit's guidance into all truth (John 16:13) of His Word. "The Word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight." That need not cause fear. For those who have responded to the invitation of Jesus and found rest in Him, they have peace and the certainty of salvation, which prompts joyful fulfillment of His commands. God reaching out to man, man honoring God, spending Sabbath together; such rest reinforces and perpetuates the relationship. "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." Revelation 2:7. Amen.




Source: Gary R. Councell (2010) Creation Sabbath
http://www.creationsabbath.net/resources/sermons/jesus-and-the-sabbath
 
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Many Christians believe that the seventh day of creation was not the sabbath day of the fourth commandment and they use Jesus' statement of "the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath" to say, "see, the sabbath was made for man, therefore it's not important that we keep the sabbath". But these sincere Christians are missing an important point that Jesus was giving.

Jesus said that the "sabbath was MADE for man". Now there is only one place in the Bible where we see the sabbath day being MADE. When was that? At creation! What did God do after the sixth day? Did He just start back at day one again? No, He MADE another day. Why did He make another day? Was it for Himself, so that He could rest each week? No, He made it for mankind, so that after six days of working, we could spend a special day with Him, resting and worshipping Him. The sabbath day was setup by God as a memorial to creation. It's a day that sets our God apart from all other gods, in that He is the Creator God and it is Him that we serve.

Now going back to this sabbath being made for man, take a look at the fourth commandment. It says "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." Do you see what God is saying here? He confirms in the fourth commandment that the seventh day of creation IS THE SABBATH DAY! Do you see it? It's so clear! And this ties in with Jesus stating that the sabbath was MADE for man. It was made at creation.

Take a look at the similarities between the seventh day of creation and the sabbath day of the fourth commandment:

The seventh day of creation: The seventh day; blessed; sanctified; rested; points to creation.

The Sabbath of the fourth commandment: The seventh day; blessed; sanctified; rest; points to creation.

It's the same day! So what does this mean? It means that the sabbath day was instituted BEFORE sin entered this world, and that means the sabbath could not be a "shadow" of anything and that God intended it to be observed for eternity, and Isaiah 66:22-23 confirms this fact.

There is not one word of scripture that confirms the sabbath of the 4th commandment to be abolished or changed. It was instituted at creation, included in the ten commandments, kept by Jesus and still stands today.

The first of the three angels messages points to the sabbath, warning the world to worship Him who made the heaven and earth and the seas, and by keeping the true sabbath day (not Sunday), we are acknowledging that we worship the one true God who created all things.



Source: Mark Wells (2010)
The Sabbath Was Made For Man
 
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Mate, if it works for you to see the Sabbath as something that doesnt exist, then fine for you. I would not waste my time arguing with you on what the Bible plainly teaches.THe Sabbath truth, particulary in the the way Adventist church teaches it is as to how the Holy Bible states it is.Through scripture you will find1. Jesus Created the the Heavens, Earth and the Sea2. Jesus created the universal 7 day week, with the Sabbath being the ONLY one in the Bible that is blessed,sanctified and made holy ...3. Jesus healed and dd many wonderfull things on the Sabbath, he taught the truth of how to observe the day, unlike how the religious teachers of the day were loading it with falsitys and other non biblical teachings4:Jesus calls us again in revelations 14 to Worship HIM on the Sabbath and the Lord shows us that The Sabbath will be there for us in Heaven in Isiaih 64.Simple and basic ... I have accepted that truth and have decided to follow the Lords commandmentsBut many christians stumble on thisI have a serious problem when people have to exsplain away something the bible does not say. When you read commentaries or Church doctrine statements that are not only, much longer than the scripture and also end up concluding something that the bible doesnt say, or neither is from the Bible... Its alarm bells time...but indeed you are welcome to conclude whatever you like ...We certainly not going to change the Word of God, the deeds of Jesus , neither the prophecys nor the sayings of the Lord for something , a tradition, a philosophy that HE cannot be qouted solidly for innitiating (Jesus commanding that Sunday be kept for ever by christians becuase he rose on it)
 
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Mate, if it works for you to see the Sabbath as something that doesnt exist, then fine for you. I would not waste my time arguing with you on what the Bible plainly teaches.
Saying I said or see that "Sabbath does not exist" is false or please repost it. This is not an inocent way to start a discussion.

THe Sabbath truth, particulary in the the way Adventist church teaches it is as to how the Holy Bible states it is.
Again I disagree with you. Your proof is questionable when you point to Gen 2:1-3 as Sabbath's origin, rather than; "God rested on the seventh day" as stated in the text.

In my research attempts I have consulted several Rabbis to better understand their knowlege of Sabbaths' history and traditions. They claim that Moses was the prophet to whom God gave the Sabbath and the law.
Why should we change or confuse what Moses' wrote as early as Gen 2:1-3?. If Genesis 1 is all about the acts of God, who but Satan would introduce or add another creation story that God's prophet does not declare? Two word proves that Moses never implied man being given anything. These words are; "and God".
Look at Genesis chapter 1 and 2:1-3 by clicking bible verse below;
1. (Gen 1:3 - Gen 6:5). You will see that Moses only talked about God's actions in the first 7 days. Man did not work nor rest in these texts.

The scriptures in Gen 1-2:3 is only about the first seven days of creation. If other seventh days was implied, then why is it written that God was finished? Only commentary can take God's word out of you heart and replace it with questions that leads to other questions.


Prophets other than Moses, including Jesus and the apostles lined up with Moses account as written in the Torah (Gen-Deut). The argument about a creation instituted sabbath is only supported by a tremendous amount of commentary through the ages.
Dailog about more or lesser light is questionable if the bible is reduced to half the story.



Yes, the Catholic church has passed down a long list of it's traditions that was adopted by the many protestant churches. May God help us all.
Who's report will you believe?

Through scripture you will find
1. Jesus Created the the Heavens, Earth and the Sea
2. Jesus created the universal 7 day week, with the Sabbath being the ONLY one in the Bible that is blessed,sanctified and made holy ...
3. Jesus healed and dd many wonderfull things on the Sabbath, he taught the truth of how to observe the day, unlike how the religious teachers of the day were loading it with falsitys and other non biblical teachings
4:Jesus calls us again in revelations
14 to Worship HIM on the Sabbath and the Lord shows us that The Sabbath will be there for us in Heaven in Isiaih
64.Simple and basic ...
This list is not scriptures, it has an agenda to bend towards questionable reasonings at best.

The fact that Jesus told His followers that communion is to be taken in remembrace of Him, is one reason to search the scriptures to understand which ordinances the apostles established and reenforced with the Christian church.

I'm not making up or presenting any doctrines, I'm only rejecting what is not truth that found in scriptures. If you're angry, it's because you cant prove your doctrine with scriptures. I want you to be correct.
I have accepted that truth and have decided to follow the Lords commandments But many christians stumble on this. I have a serious problem when people have to exsplain away something the bible does not say. When you read commentaries or Church doctrine statements that are not only, much longer than the scripture and also end up concluding something that the bible doesnt say, or neither is from the Bible...


Its alarm bells time...but indeed you are welcome to conclude whatever you like ...We certainly not going to change the Word of God, the deeds of Jesus , neither the prophecys nor the sayings of the Lord for something , a tradition, a philosophy that HE cannot be qouted solidly for innitiating (Jesus commanding that Sunday be kept for ever by christians becuase he rose on it)
We have the same argument against each other. You have not made 1 point against anything I have said. I'm sticking with the bible and I'll reject reasoned teachings.

May God bless you too
 
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All the best for you, may God prosper you and your loved ones just as your soul prospers. Bless you..until the almighty comes back to take us with HIM on that wonderfull and glorious day.

Same to you...... Waht does this mean?
Colossians 2 & 3

What do you understand from Colossians chapter 2 or 3?

Just given a summary of the whole chapter, or whatever you want to present.
 
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>Moses did'nt know anything till God commanded Moses according to Exd 16:4

Exodus 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Since the law wasn't given for another month then what law is God talking about?

This text shows that they knew the basics of God's law before it was even written in stone.
 
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>Moses did'nt know anything till God commanded Moses according to Exd 16:4

Exodus 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Since the law wasn't given for another month then what law is God talking about?

This text shows that they knew the basics of God's law before it was even written in stone.

A "law" among other understandings can mean; 1 commandment or more commandments given for a designated people to follow.

This text make it clear that God was proving "if the people would go out on the seventh day to pick up manna or not.

Your commentary expands the scope of the lesson by injecting SDA definition of "law" (the ten commandments) even before it was written on stone.

This is how people are easily misled about the ten commandments by socalled experts. falsefying the 10.com before it was given.

Why should we contradict what God said in the Old testament Eze 20:12
and what the apostles of Jesus wrote for our learning?Jhn 1:17For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.



Who's report should we believe????
 
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>This is how people are easily misled about the ten commandments by socalled experts. falsefying the 10.com before it was given.

Where's the "falsefying"?

Exodus 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
 
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>This is how people are easily misled about the ten commandments by socalled experts. falsefying the 10.com before it was given.

Where's the "falsefying"?

Exodus 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Within the text God gives a law for the people. The law is for them to; go out and gather on 6 days, so God can prove if they will not go out on the seventh day or not. The falsefying scam is to abuse the word "law", as if God is not being clear about what He's commanding the people to do.
 
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