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Instead of EGW how about EJW

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The School of Christ. The church of Christ is not composed of perfect men, but of those who are seeking perfection. He is the perfect One, and he sends out the invitation: "Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me." Mat. 11:28, 29. Having called all to come to him, he says, "Him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." John 6:37. As one has said, "God reaches for the hand of faith in man to direct it to lay fast hold upon the divinity of Christ, that man may attain to perfection of character."

The faith may be very weak, but God does not reject him on that account. Paul thanked God that the faith of the Thessalonian brethren grew exceedingly (2 Thess. 1:3), which shows that they did not have perfect faith at the first. It is true that God is so good that every person ought to trust him fully; but just because he is so good, he is very patient and forbearing with those who are not well acquainted with him, and he does not turn away from them because they are doubtful. It is this very goodness and forbearance of God that develops perfect faith.

The Pupils Not Masters. It is not for the pupils to say who shall attend school. It is true that in this world there are schools that are exclusive, in which only a certain set of pupils are allowed. If one inferior in wealth and standing in society should seek to enter, there would be at once an uproar. The students themselves would make so strong a protest against the entrance of the newcomer, that the masters would feel obliged not to receive him. But such schools are not the schools of Christ. "There is no respect of persons with God." He invites the poor and needy, and the weak. It is he, and not the pupils, that decides who shall be admitted.

He says, "Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely," and he asks all who hear to extend the invitation. The only qualification necessary for entering the school of Christ is willingness to learn of him. If any man is willing to do his will, God will receive him and teach him. John 7:17. Whoever sets up any other standard, sets himself above God. No man has any right to reject one whom God receives.

Master and Servant. Christ said to his disciples: "Be not ye called Rabbi; for one is your Master; and all ye are brethren." "Neither be ye called masters; for one is your Master, even Christ." Matt. 23:8, 10. It is the master who sets the task for each pupil or servant. It is to the master that the servant looks for his reward. Therefore it is the master alone who has the right to give orders, and to pronounce judgment if there is failure. "Who art thou that judgest another man's servant?" If you have not the power to reward his success, you have not the right to judge his failures.

"God Is the Judge." "He putteth down one, and setteth up another." Ps. 75:7. "For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king; he will save us." Isa. 33:22. "There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy; who art thou that judgest another?" James 4:12. The power to save and to destroy determines the right to judge. To condemn when one has not the power to carry the judgment into effect, is but a farce. Such an one makes himself ridiculous, to say the least.

Articles on Romans by E.J Waggoner - chap. 14
 
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What do you mean by instead of?

Why not say along with?

Because law and grace are not compatible. Ellen White will always be seen as an old covenant Sabbath keeper who loved the law and gave lip service to Jesus Christ. EJ Waggoner on the other hand will always be seen as a new covenant Sabbath keeper who understood that the grace of Jesus Christ is everything and the law is nothing but a crutch for the weak in faith.

If I visited an Adventist church and the building caught on fire and I wanted to warn everyone I would not yell 'fire'. What I would yell at the top of my lungs is 'Grace' and that place would clear out! Everyone would be out the door before I could turn around and after the fire department put out the fire and I wanted everyone to come back in what I would do is this - I would yell 'law' or 'commandments' and everyone would come running back in! lol

Adventists are like animals who can be trained with key words and phrases. They have been trained incorrectly by the false shepherds who speak lies and it's time for their re-training. This process will be difficult and painful but the end always justifies the means.....and Nebuchadnezzar commanded that the furnace be heated seven times hotter than normal....
 
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Because law and grace are not compatible. Ellen White will always be seen as an old covenant Sabbath keeper who loved the law and gave lip service to Jesus Christ. EJ Waggoner on the other hand will always be seen as a new covenant Sabbath keeper who understood that the grace of Jesus Christ is everything and the law is nothing but a crutch for the weak in faith.

If I visited an Adventist church and the building caught on fire and I wanted to warn everyone I would not yell 'fire'. What I would yell at the top of my lungs is 'Grace' and that place would clear out! Everyone would be out the door before I could turn around and after the fire department put out the fire and I wanted everyone to come back in what I would do is this - I would yell 'law' or 'commandments' and everyone would come running back in! lol

Adventists are like animals who can be trained with key words and phrases. They have been trained incorrectly by the false shepherds who speak lies and it's time for their re-training. This process will be difficult and painful but the end always justifies the means.....and Nebuchadnezzar commanded that the furnace be heated seven times hotter than normal....


I strongly disagree. I think both authors have valuable things to contribute and both have weaknesses as all human beings do. As to your characterization of Adventists, I find it offensive and mean-spirited. Yes, all we like sheep have gone astray and there's a good reason the bible compares human beings to sheep, but to say just Adventists are like dumb animals is incorrect. And to imply that you or I or anyone is any better is also incorrect and arrogant. I do not believe the end justifies the means, that is not found in the bible nor is it a Christ-like philosophy.
 
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I strongly disagree. I think both authors have valuable things to contribute and both have weaknesses as all human beings do. As to your characterization of Adventists, I find it offensive and mean-spirited. Yes, all we like sheep have gone astray and there's a good reason the bible compares human beings to sheep, but to say just Adventists are like dumb animals is incorrect. And to imply that you or I or anyone is any better is also incorrect and arrogant. I do not believe the end justifies the means, that is not found in the bible nor is it a Christ-like philosophy.

I find the traditionalist attitude very offensive as well with their Catholic hate and pope bashing and Ellen White worship. Would you consider these to be Christlike traits of character? Your feigned displeasure would never cross that side of the pond so I am not the least bit sorry for a few sarcastic remarks on my part. They could not even hold a conversation with me and that's not being arrogant it's just a fact.
 
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I find the traditionalist attitude very offensive as well with their Catholic hate and pope bashing and Ellen White worship.

Ahhh... the short robed jesuit troll just revealed himself.

Just to be clear, the idea of the papacy being the beast of revelation was a well known fact among ALL protestant denomination at one time. The encyclopedia britannica stated this fact up until the last few decades... postmodernism (aka jesuit influence) has done it's work to obscure these facts but the Spirit filled seeker can still clearly see this from the Bible.
 
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Ahhh... the short robed jesuit troll just revealed himself.

Just to be clear, the idea of the papacy being the beast of revelation was a well known fact among ALL protestant denomination at one time. The encyclopedia britannica stated this fact up until the last few decades... postmodernism (aka jesuit influence) has done it's work to obscure these facts but the Spirit filled seeker can still clearly see this from the Bible.

If I were a Jesuit what I would do is fill the Adventist church with unconverted people like you and wait for it to implode. I would get them to worship EGW and the law and vegetables! I would teach them to trust in their body count and not the eternal word of God. They would become a joke to any Christian with the smallest amount of faith. Hey! I just gave you the Jesuit playbook.....your welcome!
 
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Well aware of the jesuit apostacy within the church including demonizing EG white. Isn't it interesting that she said that in the last days, the SOP would be ridiculed and marginalized among SDA... just another lucky guess, right?
 
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I find the traditionalist attitude very offensive as well with their Catholic hate and pope bashing and Ellen White worship. Would you consider these to be Christlike traits of character? Your feigned displeasure would never cross that side of the pond so I am not the least bit sorry for a few sarcastic remarks on my part. They could not even hold a conversation with me and that's not being arrogant it's just a fact.

You're so quick to profile and judge people harshly! I don't have "feigned displeasure," I never do. It wastes energy to say something you don't mean, and insecurity is not the only reason to take offense. I find it ACTUALLY offensive when anyone seeks to lift up their own opinions at the expense of their opposition with character bashing. It's not right no matter who does it! Quite frankly, it makes me wonder how weak the person's argument is that they have to attack someone else in order to make theirs acceptable.

And I would "cross to that side of the pond" as you say... I would agree with you that it is equally offensive and wrong to character bash Catholics. But that doesn't give you or anyone license to do the same to any other group.

I would also agree that the writings of Ellen White have often been used in a way which discredits them and which elevates them to a standing they were never intended to be. But the misuse of a text doesn't necessitate that the text itself doesn't still have something applicable to say. If that were the case, the Bible itself wouldn't stand, as people have misused and misinterpreted it for a whole lot longer than Ellen White has even been around.
 
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This thread is on Ellet J Waggoner and I will not be addressing any posters who outlandishly label me as a 'short robed Jesuit troll'. If you have nothing relevant to the topic at hand please go back to your 'the catholic church is the great boogey man' side of the fence. I am not interested in what Ellen White had to say about anything. She has been proven to be too unreliable and legalistic. I am interested in what Mr. Waggoner had to say seeing that he was a messenger of the Lord and in the grand scheme of things out ranked Ellen White. She said over and over that Waggoner can preach righteousness by faith better than her. This is a documented fact.
 
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