Information in DNA Explained

[Radrook]

Bungle was merely voicing our opinion that you may be using a different definition of information than the rest of us.

What is your definition of information?

 

[Speedwell]

What is your definition of information?

Information is a statistical measure of the randomness of a signal or string of data. The unit of measure is the Hartley or the Shannon, depending on whether base 10 or base 2 logarithms are used in its calculation.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

What is your definition of information?

Funny how, instead of providing your definition as requested, you push the same request to another user. Speedwell's definition is great. Now, can you please provide your definition so we can see if we are talking about the same thing? From your previous posts I suspect we are not....

 

[Radrook]

Funny how, instead of providing your definition as requested, you push the same request to another user. Speedwell's definition is great. Now, can you please provide your definition so we can see if we are talking about the same thing? From your previous posts I suspect we are not....

My definition is the dictionary's definition.

 

[sfs]

That ability to perceive what I consider obvious is beyond my capability to bestow. So I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

I thought the point of the thread was to explain information in DNA. What was the point, then, if you're not going to explain anything about information in DNA?

 

[Radrook]

I thought the point of the thread was to explain information in DNA. What was the point, then, if you're not going to explain anything about information in DNA?

The point of the thread was to provide a video which explains why the transfer of information isn't chemically based. That specific part is found at 30:00. I am asked what is my definition of information? Information from my standpoint is data and in the case of DNA, data involving coded instructions capable of being deciphered by RNA leading to the formation of biological organs and organisms.

 

[Larniavc]

That ability to perceive what I consider obvious is beyond my capability to bestow. So I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

Wait a minute. You can't explain why you believe what you believe?

That's the craziest thing I've heard someone say.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Wait a minute. You can't explain why you believe what you believe?

That's the craziest thing I've heard someone say.

It's not exactly a rare phenomena among cdesign proponentsists though....

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Information from my standpoint is data and in the case of DNA, data involving coded instructions capable of being deciphered by RNA leading to the formation of biological organs and organisms.

At last we get to a definition of information and as suspected, it is not the definition the rest of us use. Why did you have to make such a fuss about telling us?

Now we have your definition would you like to proceed with discussing how information (using your definition) does or does not prove the existence of God? Or would you like to provide another petulant post avoiding the subject of your own thread?

 

[Radrook]

At last we get to a definition of information. Why did you have to make such a fuss about telling us?

Now we have your definition would you like to proceed with discussing how that information does or does not prove the existence of God? Or would you like to provide another petulant post avoiding the subject of your own thread?

I am not postulating the existence of God a god or gods or goddesses. I am merely postulating the existence of an ID. Concerning your "question" about why I am so irrational in concluding that coded information that leads to the assembling of a computer such as the brain was coded by a mind, my answers that it is the logical thing to conclude. In fact most humans on Earth agree that it is the most logical thing to conclude.

 

[Speedwell]

I am not postulating the existence of God a god or gods or goddesses. I am merely postulating the existence of an ID. Concerning your "question" about why I am so irrational in concluding that coded information that leads to the assembling of a computer such as the brain was coded by a mind, my answers that it is the logical thing to conclude. In fact most humans on Earth agree that it is the most logical thing to conclude.

Most people on Earth have no ideas about Information Theory or your misrepresentation of it or how any of that applies to molecular biology. Those as believe in God do so for reasons which may be entirely obscure to a post-Enlightenment rationalist such as yourself.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I am not postulating the existence of God a god or gods or goddesses. I am merely postulating the existence of an ID.

Really? Your OP includes a video entitled "Information embedded in DNA proves the existence of God". But you're not postulating that God exists. Odd, but OK.

So, in your own words: how does the data (information) embedded in DNA demonstrate the existence of an ID?

 

[Loudmouth]

The explanation begins in the video at time 31:00.

In your own words, please.

 

[Loudmouth]

I am asked what is my definition of information? Information from my standpoint is data and in the case of DNA, data involving coded instructions capable of being deciphered by RNA leading to the formation of biological organs and organisms.

We already know that the natural mechanisms involved in evolution produce that type of information.

How do genetic systems gain information by evolutionary processes? Answering this question precisely requires a robust, quantitative measure of information. Fortunately, 50 years ago Claude Shannon defined information as a decrease in the uncertainty of a receiver. For molecular systems, uncertainty is closely related to entropy and hence has clear connections to the Second Law of Thermodynamics. These aspects of information theory have allowed the development of a straightforward and practical method of measuring information in genetic control systems. Here this method is used to observe information gain in the binding sites for an artificial ‘protein’ in a computer simulation of evolution. The simulation begins with zero information and, as in naturally occurring genetic systems, the information measured in the fully evolved binding sites is close to that needed to locate the sites in the genome. The transition is rapid, demonstrating that information gain can occur by punctuated equilibrium.

Schneider TD. Evolution of biological information. Nucleic Acids Research. 2000;28(14):2794-2799.​

 

[joshua 1 9]

It is considered common courtesy to present the evidence in your own words instead of expecting people to watch a video for an hour and a half.

Chances are good you could not get people to watch an one and half minute video.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Chances are good you could not get people to watch an one and half minute video.

I have looked at Radrook's videos. All they had were strawman arguments and arguments from ignorance. The concept of evidence is not well understood by the creationists that he cites.

 

[Radrook]

Most people on Earth have no ideas about Information Theory or your misrepresentation of it or how any of that applies to molecular biology. Those as believe in God do so for reasons which may be entirely obscure to a post-Enlightenment rationalist such as yourself.

Where does the disproving of the existence of God fit in with Anglican theology? Just curious since this is something I consider baffling.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

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