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Okay, I just had a pretty crazy thought yesturday I figured I would post it to see what you guys thought. I just finished reading a book about infinity, mathmatically speaking, the Kabbalah, how infinity is discussed in Judaism and subsequently Christianity, and God, how he relates to this idea. It was really a good book and focused on logical thinking and mathmatical principles. This is probably why I had this on my mind. So I got to thinking about infinity. First I'll outlay the generaly idea of what Kabbalaists, esoteric Judaism which also has an alternate form for Christianity similar to Gnosis, view God. They call him/her (God is genderless) Ein Sof. This literally means "limitless light" or is often refered to as "No Thing". The general idea is that Ein Sof created a sphere of darkness in order for freewill and evil to exist. Evil just means distance from Ein Sof, so it would be somewhere where he is not. But there is a beam of light I believe throught this shere which connects him to the darkness. This is essentially what the idea is. Within the darkness there are ten creational energies, think of these as pipes carrying his energy to our world, the beam of light. Ein Sof is as far from the spiritual as he is from the physical, but his energy was so great that the pipes burst (this bursting is what created the darkness). The ten creational energies can be viewed as ten circles. One within the other. To illustrate draw a 2d cirlce. Then draw a bigger one around it etc. until you have ten circles. Logic breaks down with number eight. There are seven energies that are logical, hence a part of why the number seven is a very mystical number. Beyond the ten circles is Ein Sof. The incomprehensible. This is similar to infinity. It never ends. There is always something greater. This is the general idea that is encompassed in Ein Sof.

Perhaps some examples would help portrary this idea. Think of Microsoft Word (R). Now within the computer operating system as a whole you can copy and paste things, delete them etc. So say you have a document open, you cannot delete this document from within the document. You have to go to the larger program - Microsoft Word (R). Say you wanted to delete this program as a whole, you cannot do it from within the program, you have to go to Windows (R). Say you wanted to delete Windows(R), you would have to go back to an even larger system, etc. The same idea applies to physical and spiritual matter. There will always be something greater, thus we can never fully understand Ein Sof. Mathmatics is perhaps the perfect way to explain it. Mathmatics is considered the language of God. It has long been considered sacred, since the days of Pythagoras' mystery schools and way beyond. Our modern mathmatics of set theory is based on a set of axioms. Everything else is built from them. However these beginning principles have paradoxes in and of themselves. Here's an example, think of a set of all teacups. The set itself is not a member of it's own set because it is not a teacup. Now think of a set that contains everything that is not a teacup. It is a member of itself. Now think of a set "R" which contains everything that is not a member of itself, such as the set of teacups. Is "R" a member of itself? If it is a member of itself then it isn't, and if it isn't then it is. Set theory deals largely with infinity, and the very roots of our mathmatical systems have such paradoxes. This is the nature of Ein Sof.

Now think of time and we get to my idea. Given infinite time, it was only a matter of time that whatever forces above us created this world. And given the nature of our complete universe it will only be a matter of time until it is destroyed (oppositte of the Big Bang). Now here's the thought. After this universe is destroyed, it is only a matter of time before it is created again. Given infinite time, it will only be a matter of time until you, exactly as you are now, are sitting at your computer reading this post exactly as you are now. It will only be a matter of time until I am sitting at my laptop writing this post. And I will never stop writing this post. Infinite time after I do it again, I will do it again to infinity. The question then becomes how many times have I done this before? Since there is no real begining, I have always been doing this. Since consciousness is really what brings in the perception of time. This will all happen within the blink of an idea to "me". Peace.
 

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That is an intersting thought experiment. I don't think time is infinite however, its a finite construct of our own being, and that we can't undertand anything beyond our finite being, that is lesser than eternity is just something we have to live with til we can escape it. My understanding of God is beyond the realm of mathematics. I think the architectonic realm of logic, mathematics and language is about equivalent with the Word in flesh, the thought that arises in the mind of the eternal being God, but we can't understand him completely since we are limited in our realm of understanding to what is computable, however I think faith is what exceeds the limits of computation.
 
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AdamAnderson21 said:
Okay, I just had a pretty crazy thought yesturday I figured I would post it to see what you guys thought.

It's a fun exercise... but you still start with the illogical assumption that a supreme deity exists. Just once I'd like to see an argument made for a god that didn't start with that being already existing.

Just once.




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