Infinite beings and time travel.

[Fin1234]

We view time as a progression from start to end.

If we lived for one year only. 1 Day would seem like a very long time by our comparison of 1 day to our entire life span.

If we lived for 300 years, one day would seem comparitivly very short.

An infinite being has no start or end, no lifespan. For the infinite being time is not a progression like a video clip stuck in play. Time is like a picture and the infinite being can focus on any part of it that they want.

By being infinite they are free of the constraints that time places on finite beings.

Thus Infinite beings; if truly infinite; are capable of time travel.

 

[daniel777]

i don't understand the jump from "seems like" to "is".

 

[Eudaimonist]

An infinite being has no start or end, no lifespan. For the infinite being time is not a progression like a video clip stuck in play. Time is like a picture and the infinite being can focus on any part of it that they want.

Such a being would be impossible in my understanding of time. For me, time is merely our way of experiencing or conceptualizing change. There is no entity that is "free of the contraints of time", since everything that exists changes, and is thus subject to "time". Thus, no inherent powers of time travel.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Fin1234]

Such a being would be impossible in my understanding of time. For me, time is merely our way of experiencing or conceptualizing change. There is no entity that is "free of the contraints of time", since everything that exists changes, and is thus subject to "time". Thus, no inherent powers of time travel.


eudaimonia,

Mark

You caught on at a point there. Our perception of time is our experience which is dependant on the laws surrounding us, (i.e. we the fact that we are finite).

When we remove the fact that we have a beggining and end, we completely change the way we experience change. Meaning it's no longer a progression from start to end.

I'm not arguing that such a being exists, I'm not a theist. I'm just postulating a consequence of a entity which was infinite.

 

[Chesterton]

i don't understand the jump from "seems like" to "is".

Even the "seems like"'s are just assumptions. A few humans do live for just one year.

 

[ArnautDaniel]

What the heck is an "infinite being"?

 

[Fin1234]

Even the "seems like"'s are just assumptions. A few humans do live for just one year.

It HAS to be an assumption becuase we are talking about a personal epxerience.

Our experience of Time is relative to what we compare it to. At least that's how it works for me

If you disagree then I admitt I will have to find a way to convince you of that principle.

 

[JGL53]

What the heck is an "infinite being"?

The Universe.

(Not just what we humans call the universe, which is merely our universe. I mean THE Universe.)

 

[Eudaimonist]

When we remove the fact that we have a beggining and end, we completely change the way we experience change.

That's just my point. IMV, there can't be any such "removal". All such speculation doesn't amount to anything that can exist.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[tanzanos]

We view time as a progression from start to end.

If we lived for one year only. 1 Day would seem like a very long time by our comparison of 1 day to our entire life span.

If we lived for 300 years, one day would seem comparitivly very short.

An infinite being has no start or end, no lifespan. For the infinite being time is not a progression like a video clip stuck in play. Time is like a picture and the infinite being can focus on any part of it that they want.

By being infinite they are free of the constraints that time places on finite beings.

Thus Infinite beings; if truly infinite; are capable of time travel.

Time is not what you perceive as an interval. Time is space, it is not what your watch indicates. Time is relative to a movement in the space continuum. No movement means no space time. Matter ceases to exist when movement stops because time and space are one and space time cannot exist without movement. By movement I mean vibration at the plank level.

Yes one may perceive time differently but remember that when the universe was born so did time come to exist. In the centre of a black hole time is non existent because there is no movement at all, therefore it is devoid of space. In actual fact a black hole is pure gravity. Gravity is not a dimension.

 

[mindlight]

We view time as a progression from start to end.

If we lived for one year only. 1 Day would seem like a very long time by our comparison of 1 day to our entire life span.

If we lived for 300 years, one day would seem comparitivly very short.

An infinite being has no start or end, no lifespan. For the infinite being time is not a progression like a video clip stuck in play. Time is like a picture and the infinite being can focus on any part of it that they want.

By being infinite they are free of the constraints that time places on finite beings.

Thus Infinite beings; if truly infinite; are capable of time travel.

We see time as human beings ,the only way we can see it, as a movement from beginning to end.

Speculation about an infinite beings perception of time is different from how an infinite being may choose to interact with time. Indeed the example from the Christian Bible indicates a being who chooses not to disrespect the time line. God becomes a man and dwells inside time in order to achieve the goals he has set for our history. That he sees the beginning from the end and dwells in every moment does not erode the significance of the movement of history.

If God Himself sets times for men to live, sets appointed times for certain significant milestones to his plan and even raises up individuals at the time he had appointed for the message they will deliver then it appears that the structure of time is something he respects.

So what is the purpose of time. Time is a boundary inside of which the characters of men can be tested. Time allows agency to be explored and sets a range within which actions must be completed for individuals to realise their dreams. In an allotted time the heart of a person is tested and its quality revealed.

An infinite beings need for time rests therefore in his creation of new life. Life which he tests and refines inside the boundaries of time. It provides a structure for the testing and refining process.

 

[rmccubbin]

We see time as human beings ,the only way we can see it, as a movement from beginning to end.

Speculation about an infinite beings perception of time is different from how an infinite being may choose to interact with time. Indeed the example from the Christian Bible indicates a being who chooses not to disrespect the time line. God becomes a man and dwells inside time in order to achieve the goals he has set for our history. That he sees the beginning from the end and dwells in every moment does not erode the significance of the movement of history.

If God Himself sets times for men to live, sets appointed times for certain significant milestones to his plan and even raises up individuals at the time he had appointed for the message they will deliver then it appears that the structure of time is something he respects...

Well said. I would add that God the Father, as a personal/infinite God exists both inside and outside the created matter/energy-time/space order. Time is an aspect of creation. The Creator God, setting aside His infiniteness as it may relate to a linear vs. planar time perspective, is not subject to the materialistic laws He Himself has made. God has put them in place to serve His purposes, as the above demonstrates. IMHO, time travel is an interesting but irrelevant speculation.

 

[Gracchus]

We see time as human beings ,the only way we can see it, as a movement from beginning to end.

No one has seen a beginning and no one has seen an end. What we observe is change. Change is time.

 

[JGL53]

No one has seen a beginning and no one has seen an end. What we observe is change. Change is time...

Pretty much.

The real is timeless and changeless.

The apparent is in time and changes from one moment to the next.

 

[Fin1234]

Time is not what you perceive as an interval. Time is space, it is not what your watch indicates. Time is relative to a movement in the space continuum. No movement means no space time. Matter ceases to exist when movement stops because time and space are one and space time cannot exist without movement. By movement I mean vibration at the plank level.

Yes one may perceive time differently but remember that when the universe was born so did time come to exist. In the centre of a black hole time is non existent because there is no movement at all, therefore it is devoid of space. In actual fact a black hole is pure gravity. Gravity is not a dimension.

Time is an interval from where we experience it. But that is not neccesarily what time IS.

And you're absolutly right

 

[Eudaimonist]

The real is timeless and changeless.

The apparent is in time and changes from one moment to the next.

The experience of time might not be "real" in the sense that it is subjective and not "out there" in the universe.

However, change is real. Things don't change because we perceive them to change. We perceive them to change because they do change.

The real almost certainly is something that does change.


eudaimonia,

Mark