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What is the purpose of baptizing a baby?
We've been all over this. There are at least four or five very good reasons, from a public declaration of the child being part of Christ's church (which other denominations feel also and so have had to phony up "dedications" that have no Biblical basis) to forgiveness of sin to the imparting of grace and more.
Do you honestly believe that in the households referred to in the New Testament that were baptized that not a single baby or small child was part of that household? And by the way, a household would include any servants and their families as well. Again, there were no babies or small children in any of these households?
Do you honestly believe that in the households referred to in the New Testament that were baptized that not a single baby or small child was part of that household?
I'm sorry, couldn't read the whole thread as it's like 17 pages now. Anyway, what advantages do baptized babies have over those that are not baptized before God?
Forgiveness of sin, reception of God's grace. Didn't I mention those?
Oh, so you believe babies that die without being baptized will not enter the Kingdom of God?
Forgive me, but is it safe to assume anything regarding the Scriptures?
I think we forgot about one small detail again and that is most of us today have a "another Jesus," (IICor.11:4)Hey, everybody but me and thee. (And we know where that one goes, don't we?)
Is this the Magic Name thang again? The "Sorry, old man, but when you were baptized, whoever done it didn't say the Magic Name and so you're on your way to Eternal Torture." deal, right? I mean, everyone knows that if you're doing magic, you have to get the incantation exactly right or you end up hoodood (or hoodid, or something).First and foremost wouldn't you agree we need the Genuine God aboard baptizing these infants in connection with the valid Triune God's Name where these small infants acquire the Kingdom of God?
I don't believe in magic.
No sarcasm, ie, unless you know of another way these little precious infants can receive the Holy Spirit? I'm all ears, seriously.
1 Corinthians 7:14 "For the unbelieving husband is consecrated through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is consecrated through her husband. Otherwise, your children would be unclean, but as it is they are holy."
Revelation 21:27 "But nothing unclean shall enter it" -- speaking of heaven.
From a Scriptural point of view alone, there has to be something that occurs that makes a child holy instead of unclean.
The 'normative' way, the spiritual law in effect that accomplishes this is baptism. The faith of the parent acts upon the mercy of God on behalf of their child.
God's spiritual laws are no different than God's physical laws. God has a physical law known as gravity. I am absolutely bound by that law. Can God, for his own purpose set aside that law? Most certainly, if someone is falling to their death, he could. People have stated that he has. We would call that a miracle -- God setting aside His law for His own purpose. That doesn't mean I should presume that He will, and go jump off a cliff.
Same thing with spiritual laws. Baptism washes away our sin -- including that which makes children unclean, original sin innate to their fallen nature as humans -- and makes them holy and fit for the kingdom of God. Can God, for his own purpose set aside that law and accomplish the same in another way? Most certainly. I trust in his mercy that He can and does. That doesn't mean that any of us should presume He will and dismiss the spiritual law in effect of Baptism.
Wait a minute, are you actually saying babies that have not been baptized or are born to atheists are UNCLEAN, and will not enter the Kingdom of God?!!
Didn't the LORD reveal to Peter that all God's creation is CLEAN in a vision?
The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.” Acts 10:15
Well, people seem to assume that children raised in a Christian home reach something called an 'age of reason' and can then be baptized, even though such a concept is never taught in Scripture, and we see no baptisms like that ever occur.
Followed by "For the promise is to you and to your children".Well, the Scriptures do say, "Repent and be baptized"....
Just saying.
Well, evidently circumcision was necessary for male babies to be part of the Covenant, or it wouldn't have been required, would it. If not, God would have allowed the circumcision to take place when the child was old enough to decide on his own, at the "age of reason".So, if a baby is not baptized, he/she is not part of the Covenant of God?
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