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Infant Baptism - Is It Wrong?

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1. Do you think Infant Baptism is wrong (eg. Evil and Totally Unbiblical)

There was a time I thought it didn't help. But, I never thought it was evil.

2. Do you think that Baptising your infant will save him/her?

The infant baptism, is only a stepping stone in that person's journey with Christ. he or she must ultimately decide for themselves, which road to take for the restof their lives.

3. Do you think that Baptising your infant will hinder his/her salvation (eg. later, if they come to a believing faith)?

Boy, this one sure hits close to home! I was infant baptized, got saved at 25 in a protesant church, been a christian for 14 years, and am now taking an interest in Catholicism.
 
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I've always accepted infant baptism, as a symbolic statement by the parents that they were dedicating this child to God, and would raise the child as such. By this, I mean that is would have no affect, directly, on the child's salvation. I believe that accepting salvation is up to the individual.. it can neither be given nor taken away by the actions of another.
 
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hindsey said:
The Bible doesn't say that the Apostles believed in infant baptism. What is your source for that information?

This is a Baptist forum and the last 3 posters are not following the rules.
I believe its an attempt to get the thread closed as usual.

You are correct hindsey, it never states in scriptures that infants were EVER baptized, in fact, it did not start until years down the road WAYYYYYY after the Apostles were gone. We all know that.
If God wanted us to baptize our children as infants He would have made it CLEAR in scripture as He does with all the other biblical doctrines.

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ChrisLockhart said:
I've always accepted infant baptism, as a symbolic statement by the parents that they were dedicating this child to God, and would raise the child as such.
But it's not....they believe they are somehow "saving their child".

ChrisLockhart said:
By this, I mean that is would have no affect, directly, on the child's salvation. I believe that accepting salvation is up to the individual.. it can neither be given nor taken away by the actions of another.
Correct...so why do it? It is a man made tradition, in what way biblical to God's Word?

IXOYE<>< said:
The infant baptism, is only a stepping stone in that person's journey with Christ. he or she must ultimately decide for themselves, which road to take for the restof their lives.

True, they must ultimately decide for themselves...so in regards to a stepping stone, that is incorrect. A stepping stone gets you one step closer to where you need to be. If you are going nowhere with infant baptism, then you cannot call it a stepping stone.

Diane _Windsor said:
1. Uncharacteristic answer of a Southern Baptist, but nope. I have no problems with infant baptism, and believe that it should be practiced.

I don't believe this answer should be blamed on Southern Baptist doctrine. If it's not biblical, it's not biblical. If Southern Baptists happen to not agree with it, so be it. God does not agree with it, otherwise His Word would state so. Why practice a man made tradition in regards to God? He does not state that it is necessary; therefore, I recommend trying to practice something else that He does command that we are currently not practicing in our own lives.

GreenEyedLady said:
This is a Baptist forum and the last 3 posters are not following the rules.

I agree. There have been enough answers given as to why it is NOT NECESSARY for infants to baptized. God does not tell us to. If someone can give scripture for doing so, then please provide it. Otherwise, I do not think it is healthy for us to debate it WITHIN a B/A Forum.

I think a good question would be "Why are you doing something that God does not command?"
 
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hindsey said:
My thoughts:
1) it's not wrong, it just doesn't do anything. it is not biblical baptism.
2) baptism will not save an infant
3) it may cause them confusion if they think that their infant baptism saved them.

I agree with this.
 
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IXOYE<>< said:
The infant baptism, is only a stepping stone in that person's journey with Christ. he or she must ultimately decide for themselves, which road to take for the restof their lives.
There is no scripture to prove this. Scripture says that baptism happens after someone makes Christ their Savior. A infant can't make this decision.
 
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Ginny said:
But it's not....they believe they are somehow "saving their child".

That statement is wrong. Not all denominations that baptise infants believes in baptismal regeneration.

Correct...so why do it? It is a man made tradition, in what way biblical to God's Word?

Baby dedications are a man-made tradition. So why practice it?

I don't believe this answer should be blamed on Southern Baptist doctrine. If it's not biblical, it's not biblical. If Southern Baptists happen to not agree with it, so be it. God does not agree with it, otherwise His Word would state so.

I disagree. This is one area that the SBC have gotten it wrong unfortunately.

I agree. There have been enough answers given as to why it is NOT NECESSARY for infants to baptized. God does not tell us to. If someone can give scripture for doing so, then please provide it. Otherwise, I do not think it is healthy for us to debate it WITHIN a B/A Forum.

Whole households were baptised, and the SBC expects me to believe that infants were not part of households?

14One of those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul's message. 15When she and the members of her household were baptized, she invited us to her home. "If you consider me a believer in the Lord," she said, "come and stay at my house." And she persuaded us.

8Crispus, the synagogue ruler, and his entire household believed in the Lord; and many of the Corinthians who heard him believed and were baptized.

Acts 16:14-15, 18:8

16(Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.)

I Cor 1:16

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VT_Boy said:
Just because a whole household was baptized doesn't mean it was infants either. They could have all been older children.

It's implied IMO :) Again, the SBC expects me to believe that infants were not a part of households during NT times? lol

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Diane_Windsor said:
That statement is wrong. Not all denominations that baptise infants believes in baptismal regeneration.

You're statement is wrong. I did not state all. You knew exactly who I was referring to.

Diane_Windsor said:
Baby dedications are a man-made tradition. So why practice it?
You know good and well that this is more or less asking the congregation to pray for your child as it grows in the Lord. Baptism itself is in obedience to God after you accept Him. Infant Baptism is ritual...and it is heavily suggested if not REQUIRED by the Catholic Church and Lutheran Church.

Diane_Windsor said:
I disagree. This is one area that the SBC have gotten it wrong unfortunately.

How judgemental...and wrong. Baptists are not the only ones that believe this. Again, you are blaming it on a sector of Christians.

Let me ask you something, if it were detrimental that infants be baptized, would God not have been explicit about that in His Word instead of being discreet with "members of the household" in only one verse? Really.

You sound like you knew how this thread was going to reply....it being Baptist and all. Why the shock?
 
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arunma said:
You'd think that a forum full of Baptists could just get along. I feel compelled to say that I don't appreciate the adversarial tune that this discussion has taken.

You would think that wouldn't you.

Sister,

Ginny said:
You're statement is wrong. I did not state all. You knew exactly who I was referring to.

:sigh: No, I don't know who you are referring to. There is no need to be defensive about this.

A Methodist stated this: "I've always accepted infant baptism, as a symbolic statement by the parents that they were dedicating this child to God, and would raise the child as such."

Your response to this Methodist poster was this: "But it's not....they believe they are somehow "saving their child".

What else was I supposed to think you meant? :scratch:

You know good and well that this is more or less asking the congregation to pray for your child as it grows in the Lord.

I would appreciate it if you would refrain from your adversarial tone (I am your sister in Christ) when speaking to me. It only puts me on the defensive, and it does not make me want to converse with you. I am simply pointing out that there is no instance of infant dedication in the NT. If you are against infant baptism because you cannot find an explicit example of it in Scripture then you should also be against infant dedication because there is not an explicit example of it in the NT either. Infant dedication is a man-made tradition. I am just following your logic to it's conclusion here.

How judgemental...and wrong. Baptists are not the only ones that believe this. Again, you are blaming it on a sector of Christians.

It is wrong to put up the Baptist Faith and Message up to the light of Scripture, and judge whether it lines up or not? I only stated that the SBC has gotten it wrong in this instance-that does not preclude other denominations from getting it wrong too. I never said, nor did I imply that Baptists are the only ones who believe in credobaptism. You are grossly misinterpreting my words.

You sound like you knew how this thread was going to reply....it being Baptist and all. Why the shock?

I'm not shocked by anything other than your adversarial tone towards you sister in Christ :( However, as Christ forgives me so I forgive you. Everyone lets out emotions get in the way sometimes :)

I have answered the OP's post, and have given my opinion and support for it, so this is my final post on this thread. Thank you arunma for the post below.

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I'd like to remind everyone (again) that infant baptizers are still our brethren in Christ. Sure, a few of them persecuted and murdered our spiritual ancestors, the anabaptists. But for the most part, infant baptizers have otherwise solid theology, and a good many of them are born again. Believe it or not, I've even met an evangelical who believed in infant baptism. When you attack the theology, please remember not to attack the person who believes it. These aren't pagans or godless atheists that we're dealing with. The people we're talking about believe in Christ our Lord, and many of them are as sincerely devoted to our Lord as we are. They baptize their infants because they really think that it is God's will. If you think about it, baptizing an infant isn't the worst thing anyone ever did; it's not a sin, after all (unless the person doing the baptizing is convicted in his heart that infant baptism is wrong). So please don't treat those who believe in infant baptism as persons who are outside of the church. Such behavior goes against God's will that the church should be in fellowship and communion.
 
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Diane_Windsor said:
There is no need to be defensive about this.

I am not being defensive...just as you are not:thumbsup:


Diane_Windsor said:
If you are against infant baptism because you cannot find an explicit example of it in Scripture then you should also be against infant dedication because there is not an explicit example of it in the NT either. Infant dedication is a man-made tradition. I am just following your logic to it's conclusion here.

As I stated before about baby dedications....


Ginny said:
.... this is more or less asking the congregation to pray for your child as it grows in the Lord..

It is not required to by the Baptist faith to "belong" to the Baptist church, nor is it ritualistic.


Diane_Windsor said:
I'm not shocked by anything other than your adversarial tone towards you sister in Christ :( However, as Christ forgives me so I forgive you. Everyone lets out emotions get in the way sometimes :)

You yourself claim that I have an adversial tone. I do not feel you are being genuine in your last two sentences, but that is the problem with the internet...you cannot read tone. In this case, I forgive you, too.:)
 
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Fellow BA posters,
Please take it down a notch. If you feel yourself getting emotional, count to 10, or take a step away from the keyboard, or go do soemthing else for a few and then come back. There is no theological debate worth speaking in anger and diminishing your ability to testify to the grace that God has bestowed on us. I say that because each time we get frustrated and speak out in anger, we are doing just that- diminishing our testimony and our credibility. Please think before speaking and think kind, Christ-like thoughts (not focusing on the VERY FEW times that Christ displayed righteous anger).
Thank you for taking this into consideration in your posting.
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No, it does not say babies specifically, but it says 'households'.
We can surmise babies lived in the households. As well as slaves and their children.

When we have a household, altho not all have infants, but many people include their infants in a household count.

Peace!
 
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WarriorAngel said:
No, it does not say babies specifically, but it says 'households'.
We can surmise babies lived in the households. As well as slaves and their children.

When we have a household, altho not all have infants, but many people include their infants in a household count.

Peace!

Angel, regarding the household baptisms, three such baptisms are recorded in the Bible. Saint Luke mentions two of them in Acts: the household of Lydia, Acts 16:15 and the household of the Philippian jailer, Acts 16:30-33. Saint Paul mentions the third: the household of Stephanus, 1 Corinthians 1:16. It's important to note that in none of these baptisms are infants mentioned. That alone doesn't suffice to prove that infants weren't baptized. But in the case of the jailer, Saint Luke specifically says that "they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house."

How does one speak the word of the Lord to an infant? One cannot. Even this doesn't prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the term "household" excludes infants, but it does demonstrate that a household does not necessarily include infants. Thus, the usage of this term can no longer be used as a proof of infant baptism in apostolic times.

Of course, you could also argue that the word of the Lord was only preached to the adults and older children in the jailer's home. But by such logic, I could just as well say that when households were baptized, the baptized individuals included only adults and older children. So we'd run into the same problem.

Now, some infant baptizers compare baptism to circumcision. They claim that baptism is the sign of God's covenant with the church, and just as Abraham's children were circumcized, so too should our infants be baptized. But there's a problem: one must be a believer in order to be a part of the church. In other words, the "membership requirements" for the true Israel of God (the church) are somewhat different than for physical Israel. In the days of the Old Covenant, anyone who was born to Israelite parents was a child of Israel, a Jew, and an heir to the promise to Abraham. Such people were bound to the Sinai Covenant, regardless of what they believed. But the New Covenant in Christ's blood depends on faith, rather than on works of the Law. Thus, faith in Christ is required for one to be a child of Abraham, and a part of the true Israel (that is, the church). A baptized infant who grows up to be a godless atheist is not a child of Abraham, but a child of the devil. Yet the sinner on the cross, who was never baptized, became a child of Abraham by faith in Christ. Thus, if you happen to believe that baptism is like circumcision, then the logical conclusion of that belief is that the ordinance should only be given to those who are capable of having faith in Christ.
 
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WarriorAngel said:
No, it does not say babies specifically, but it says 'households'.
We can surmise babies lived in the households. As well as slaves and their children.

When we have a household, altho not all have infants, but many people include their infants in a household count.

Peace!

This is a FAR stretch of context! You used the word surmise. You are guessing at it, and that is is. A Guess, it might make sense but just because something makes sense does NOT mean it is TRUTH!

surmise [Show phonetics]
verb [T] FORMAL
to guess something, without having much or any proof:
[+ (that)] The police surmise (that) the robbers have fled the country.

There is HARDLY enough biblical evidence in these verses posted to created a theological doctrine off of it. It is a man made tradition, not a biblical one.
 
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