Industrial/Goth/EBM

[Z500]

jus gutans sijuth ni godai ni ubilai

þu witis ni waiht bi uns

 

[Caedmon]

þu witis ni waiht bi uns

Hehehe... Have you ever seriously studied the language? A few of my friends took an introductory course this spring, so I bought the text and sat in with their class. It's quite interesting, esp. when you find similarities between a language as ancient as Gothic, and one so modern as the German of today.

 

[Z500]

Hehehe... Have you ever seriously studied the language? A few of my friends took an introductory course this spring, so I bought the text and sat in with their class. It's quite interesting, esp. when you find similarities between a language as ancient as Gothic, and one so modern as the German of today.

actually someone posted a link to some free lessons on another board a while ago, so i did them. i had to look up some stuff for that last sentence though and if you want to see similarities, compare it to old norse or icelandic

 

[TheReasoner]

queue is a list of jobs waiting to be completed. i'm on the end of many people's queue when it comes to downloading saviour machine.

Downloading SaviourMachine?
tut tut tut!
Their CDs are worth thrice the asking price... Easilly! Then again, I may be biased. I *kinda* like their music.

 

[TheReasoner]

Goths? Peaceful?
Who sacked rome?

Most goths are very peaceful. There are some who are not though. You know the kind, "mansonites" as it were. Kids who call themselves goth, and in the same sentence continues to say "I worship satan" and "I adore Marilyn Manson", not to mention the possible "I hate you, myself and everyone". It annoys me a bit, as I have oft been called gothic myself. Maybe I am a bit. Even if I have never taken the style too much to extremes clothes wise.

Sadly, people like that have done a lot to ruin the image of the subculture dubbed "gothic". Just like the count (Norwegian Black Metal vocalist) did a lot to ruin the image of metal when he started burning churches and gutting his best friend...
What's funny is, if you don't count his eyes and ridiculous hairstyle, the count looks pretty much like a boyband artist. Such a babyface.

 

[Alice the Sister]

Downloading SaviourMachine?
tut tut tut!
Their CDs are worth thrice the asking price... Easilly! Then again, I may be biased. I *kinda* like their music.

Well it's nice that you like to purchase music. You shouldn't have to scold me or shake a finger.


*wobbles*


Anyways...


I only download stuff to make sure it's worth buying. Studies show this actually helps record sales more than forcing people to do a subscription service.

 

[Prince Lucianus]

Goths? Peaceful?
Who sacked rome? .

They were operating on a failing body.
The operation was a complete success.

Most goths are very peaceful. There are some who are not though. You know the kind, "mansonites" as it were. Kids who call themselves goth, and in the same sentence continues to say "I worship satan" and "I adore Marilyn Manson", not to mention the possible "I hate you, myself and everyone". It annoys me a bit, as I have oft been called gothic myself. Maybe I am a bit. Even if I have never taken the style too much to extremes clothes wise.

I don't think Manson belongs to the gothic ideal.
A shock rocker who has a reasonably large younger following and some gothic rock fans. But the gothic ideals which are dominant in the scene are not presented by Manson, CoF and sorts.
But, since others only see these bands (on tv) as representing the average goth crowd, they do send the message to the outside world that he's the king of Goth or something.... which he's not, neither is his style or thinking.

Lucy

 

[TheReasoner]

I agree, Prince Lucianus.

I agree completely.

 

[Caedmon]

actually someone posted a link to some free lessons on another board a while ago, so i did them. i had to look up some stuff for that last sentence though and if you want to see similarities, compare it to old norse or icelandic

I think I found the same exercises. I haven't worked with Old Norse or Icelandic yet, but I would like to. I hear they're very similar. Gothic is interesting because it's the oldest written record of a Germanic language that we have. It's unfortunate that we have so few examples of it though -- only Wulfila's Bible translation fragments -- and that the language used in these texts is not typical everyday speech, but rather poetic biblical speech. I wish that there was more available, you know, so nerds could practice speaking it with each other in common conversation.

 

[Z500]

I wish that there was more available, you know, so nerds could practice speaking it with each other in common conversation.

Hwa latjiþ uns?

 

[Alice the Sister]

I don't think Manson belongs to the gothic ideal.
A shock rocker who has a reasonably large younger following and some gothic rock fans. But the gothic ideals which are dominant in the scene are not presented by Manson, CoF and sorts.
But, since others only see these bands (on tv) as representing the average goth crowd, they do send the message to the outside world that he's the king of Goth or something.... which he's not, neither is his style or thinking.

Lucy

Best comment concerning Manson. Ever.

 

[TheReasoner]

I think I found the same exercises. I haven't worked with Old Norse or Icelandic yet, but I would like to. I hear they're very similar. Gothic is interesting because it's the oldest written record of a Germanic language that we have. It's unfortunate that we have so few examples of it though -- only Wulfila's Bible translation fragments -- and that the language used in these texts is not typical everyday speech, but rather poetic biblical speech. I wish that there was more available, you know, so nerds could practice speaking it with each other in common conversation.

I am ashamed... I am Norwegian, and don't know our old language
Old Norse is an amazing language though. As you probably know it has influenced English quite a bit. Plenty of words in English are very similar to Old Norse words. Ofcourse, most of you lack the rolling Rs and the sound of the language... But still

Anyway, you should read Snorre's Sagas. And ofcourse the Norse mythology. Lovely indeed

 

[Caedmon]

I am ashamed... I am Norwegian, and don't know our old language
Old Norse is an amazing language though. As you probably know it has influenced English quite a bit. Plenty of words in English are very similar to Old Norse words. Ofcourse, most of you lack the rolling Rs and the sound of the language... But still

Anyway, you should read Snorre's Sagas. And ofcourse the Norse mythology. Lovely indeed

Do many people use Samnorsk?

I bought a copy of Lee Hollander's translation of the Poetic Edda, but it's a little difficult to get through. It's not easy to piece together the stories in your mind. Maybe I should try reading the Prose Edda first.

 

[TheReasoner]

Do many people use Samnorsk?

I bought a copy of Lee Hollander's translation of the Poetic Edda, but it's a little difficult to get through. It's not easy to piece together the stories in your mind. Maybe I should try reading the Prose Edda first.

No. Noone uses Samnorsk. It was abandoned a few decades ago. We still use bokmål, and Nynorsk. Though only roughly 5% of the population use nynorsk. I suppose it will die out in not too long.

Interesting. I was not aware Edda was translated. Maybe the sagas are too then. I am glad it's translated. 'cause there's much wisdom in those ancient words.

 

[Alice the Sister]

i read a book on norse mythology and it had excerpts from different eddas and some of Snorre's Sagas.


Very violent stuff. Yup.

 

[Caedmon]

No. Noone uses Samnorsk. It was abandoned a few decades ago. We still use bokmål, and Nynorsk. Though only roughly 5% of the population use nynorsk. I suppose it will die out in not too long.

Interesting. I was not aware Edda was translated. Maybe the sagas are too then. I am glad it's translated. 'cause there's much wisdom in those ancient words.

Have Norwegian children ever been forced to use Nynorsk in school?

I think that almost all of the Old Norse stories have been translated.

 

[TheReasoner]

Have Norwegian children ever been forced to use Nynorsk in school?

I think that almost all of the Old Norse stories have been translated.

Yes, we've all been forced to learn Nynorsk in school. It's a mandatory subject. Noone likes it, and me, I'd rather learn old Norwegian than Nynorsk.
So, in our schools we have to learn four languages. Bokmål, Nynorsk, English and a choice of any other fourth. German is the most common. Some choose french or Spanish. As I lived in South America for a few years I learnt Spanish.
If you choose the "right" line of study in Highschool you will learn old Norwegian too. And ofcourse if you do theology you add either Latin, Greek or Hebrew.

As I know three languages fluently, Norwegian, English and Spanish, and as well as these three also know Nynorsk - can I be said to have an int modifier of +4?

 

[Caedmon]

Yes, we've all been forced to learn Nynorsk in school. It's a mandatory subject. Noone likes it, and me, I'd rather learn old Norwegian than Nynorsk.
So, in our schools we have to learn four languages. Bokmål, Nynorsk, English and a choice of any other fourth. German is the most common. Some choose french or Spanish. As I lived in South America for a few years I learnt Spanish.
If you choose the "right" line of study in Highschool you will learn old Norwegian too. And ofcourse if you do theology you add either Latin, Greek or Hebrew.

As I know three languages fluently, Norwegian, English and Spanish, and as well as these three also know Nynorsk - can I be said to have an int modifier of +4?

Si...