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Independently repeatable evidence that God interacts with our world

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SkyWriting

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That's an interesting speculation, but if true, it renders all of it unreliable.

The Bible actually had 40 writers spread over 2000 years of time.
Churches and murals and paintings and denominations were all created by inspiration from God.
Explaining that doesn't make them unreliable.
 
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"provide evidence for the devil", christians all over the world are attacked by his forces. if you don't believe thousands of witnesses there is something wrong with you not christians.
And nature is very well designed, some supposed flaws don't change the design virtues of animals and people. And good luck for evolutionist explaining things like beauty appreciation and spirituality and intelligence, a blind totallly dumb process not even trial and error evolutionists want me to believe created consciousness and intelligence, pfft.
 
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Suppose someone said, "I followed those instructions as best I could, and nothing happened"? What would you say to them?
That is normal. It's very hard to give up control of your desires and turn them over to God. The process is easy, but lowering your desires is very hard.

Lets say there is a spiritual brick wall that is 1 mile tall. At the bottom of the wall is a gap all across the bottom that is 2 inches high. The gap is being held open by God's son Jesus. All you have to do is lower your ego enough and you can walk right under the wall.

The process I described is how to shrink your ego enough to meet with God directly. When you are in tears, then you are very close.
 
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I am glad your heart trouble is better. I was a Christian for 18 years. I came to realize that my reasons for believing were unsound and after a search for sound reasons to believe I could not find any. Eventually, I became unconvinced God exists. The real story is a lot longer than this but this is a good summary.

Why should I believe God exists based on your story?
 
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"provide evidence for the devil", christians all over the world are attacked by his forces. if you don't believe thousands of witnesses there is something wrong with you not christians.
If you had good reasons to believe you would just present them instead of attacking me. If you believe thousands of witnesses as good evidence of a supernatural claim then there is something wrong with your epistemology. Why don't you believe the thousands of witnesses that Allah is the true God?

And nature is very well designed, some supposed flaws don't change the design virtues of animals and people. And good luck for evolutionist explaining things like beauty appreciation and spirituality and intelligence,
If you do some research you will find that evolution does explain these things.

a blind totallly dumb process not even trial and error evolutionists want me to believe created consciousness and intelligence, pfft.
Evolution is not a blind totally dumb process as you might think. No one wants you to believe evolution is happening based on their say so. The evidence is there to investigate on your own. Many free sites ad courses you can take through many universities websites. Berkeley has a good one. Evolution is supported by many different fields of study and has more supporting evidence than any other theory in science. Incredulity is not a good reason to not believe something. Find a problem with all the evidence then you will win a Nobel prize.
 
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Truth is spiritually discerned.
This has never been demonstrated to be true.

Understanding scripture is not an intellectual exercise, when you foster a humble relationship with Him, the pages come alive.
This is saying believe first then you will be convinced. Well of course if you are convinced the God of the bible exists then you will think the bible is something special. This was me for 18 years.
 
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If God wants to know me and He knows it is very hard for me to do so the way He requires that is a problem with His standards not my ability to humble myself. If I made it unnecessarily hard for my kids to have a relationship with me, you would say that I was not a very good father. God has all the power in this, if He wants a relationship with me, as many Christians say, He can make that happen without having me jump through his hoops that He knows are very hard for me.

Also, when I was losing my faith I begged God to reveal himself in tears many times, I was as humble as I could be at the time. He never did reveal Himself to me. I don't know what else I could have done.
 
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if you don't believe thousands of witnesses there is something wrong with you not christians.

Witnesses to what?

And nature is very well designed, some supposed flaws don't change the design virtues of animals and people.

So it's not perfect?

And good luck for evolutionist explaining things like beauty appreciation and spirituality and intelligence, a blind totallly dumb process not even trial and error evolutionists want me to believe created consciousness and intelligence, pfft.

I can't even figure out what that sentence means.
 
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OK, so if it doesn't work, your ego's too big... yet it works for you?
 
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So now, the question is, ... Who wound up the watch ?
Since the Big Bang violated the laws of thermodynamics that energy cannot be created, that makes it an event outside of the natural - which is by definition super-natural, it would be God that wound up the energy clock that is unwinding slowly, through what is called Entropy.

In fact Hindu physics professor Amit Goswami says that quantum physics proves that God is the only possible first observer at the Big Bang creation event, so that matter could come into existence from the energy that was created.
 
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That's not in disagreement with what I said, though. Those are miracles. I've experienced more than my share. But each miracle is unique and unpredictable--it's not something that can be repeatedly noted by observation or scientific experiment.

Other than the ongoing documented miracle healings from prayer said in Jesus’ name, where the doctor involved and medical imaging says a miracle occurred?
 
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It's an evil being that requires such groveling.
There is no such requirement. Each person is free to be themselves forever and ever without interruption or hassle.
 
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What we have here is either a physics professor that doesn't understand what an observer is in quantum mechanics or a CF poster that doesn't understand physics. Perhaps someone on this thread can figure it out....
 
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What we have here is either a physics professor that doesn't understand what an observer is in quantum mechanics or a CF poster that doesn't understand physics. Perhaps someone on this thread can figure it out....
"If you think you understand quantum mechanics, then you don't understand quantum mechanics."
 
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He doesn't actually reveal Himself. He allows you to accept that He has heard you and then gives you the gift of faith in His response to you. Yes, humility is the only stumbling block. It's very simple, but still not easy. He doesn't ask you to jump through hoops. He asks you to remove the resistance you have built up for your entire life.
 
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In fact Hindu physics professor Amit Goswami says that quantum physics proves that God is the only possible first observer at the Big Bang creation event, so that matter could come into existence from the energy that was created.
Is the Hindu physics professor referring to a Christian God?

One of the greatest mathematicians of all time was Srinivasa Ramanujan.
He collaborated with the atheist G.H.Hardy who was no slouch himself as a mathematician.
Hardy asked Ramanujan where he got the understanding for his equations on number theory to which Ramanujan replied.
Ramanujan said:
“An equation for me has no meaning unless it expresses a thought of God.”

Ramanujan was a Brahmin which is the highest caste in Hinduism and the God he was referring to was the Goddess Namagiri Thayar, the Hindu Goddess of creativity.
 
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