Independent Baptists?

[Kokavkrystallos]

Any Independent Baptists around? I've attended these churches and find the preaching strait to the point, very little or no doctrinal confusion (compared to some Charismatic churches), and repentance, conviction of sin, sanctification, and the Lord's return are stressed often, with of course Jesus Christ and His blood shed on the cross being the ONLY way to be saved.

 

[Vambram]

I was born again in an Independent Baptist church. All of my local church memberships have been in Independent Baptist churches.
Although other denominations of churches also have pastors, teachers, evangelists, and church members that have very, very strong agreement with Independent Baptists, the Lord hasn't tried to change my mind about which denomination of churches He wants me to have my membership in.

 

[Kokavkrystallos]

I was born again in an Independent Baptist church. All of my local church memberships have been in Independent Baptist churches.
Although other denominations of churches also have pastors, teachers, evangelists, and church members that have very, very strong agreement with Independent Baptists, the Lord hasn't tried to change my mind about which denomination of churches He wants me to have my membership in.

I've been in all kind of churches, with the exception of the radical snake handling pentecostals. No thanks! I've been in churches like you mentioned that have a very strong agreement with Independent Baptists, even some that are Pentecostal, but do not go for the flamboyancy found in some of their churches, not to mention getting side tracked into name it & claim it prosperity gospel.

 

[OnePlanPeopleDestiny]

There are some very solid IFB churches, and there are some heretical churches that refer to themselves as IFB. Beware of any IFB that preach and teach Scofield, Larkin, and Ruckman; they are all heretical.

 

[Vambram]

There are some very solid IFB churches, and there are some heretical churches that refer to themselves as IFB. Beware of any IFB that preach and teach Scofield, Larkin, and Ruckman; they are all heretical.

May I ask what you find to be heretical within the teachings of C.I. Scofield?
Thank you.

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[OnePlanPeopleDestiny]

May I ask what you find to be heretical within the teachings of C.I. Scofield?
Thank you.

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I appreciate your question. I'll give you a few of Scofield's teachings to which I'm referring and be as consice as I can be.

It is heresy to teach more than one gospel. Scofield taught that there are four gospels.

It is heresy to teach salvation by anything other that by God's grace through faith. Scofield taught that salvation was by works, and will be by faith plus works.

It is also heresy to teach that God has more than one people. Scofield taught that God has two distinct plans for two distinct people headed to two distinct destinations: Jews (Plan A) and Gentiles (Plan B). The Bible clearly teaches that God has one plan, one people, and one destination for His people.

Scofield taught the heresy that animal blood sacrifices will again be ushered in and offered for the remission/atonement of sins. The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus paid it all - tetelestai. "[W]e are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Hebrews 10:10.

God bless.

 

[Vambram]

It is heresy to teach salvation by anything other that by God's grace through faith. Scofield taught that salvation was by works, and will be by faith plus works.

The very first study Bible given to me after I was born-again in 1978 was the Old Scofield Study Bible (KJV). I still have that Bible and there is nowhere at all within the teachings of the notes in that study Bible that salvation was by works and faith plus works. Therefore, I am not sure at all as to why you believe C.I. Scofield taught the heresy of faith plus works.

It is also heresy to teach that God has more than one people. Scofield taught that God has two distinct plans for two distinct people headed to two distinct destinations: Jews (Plan A) and Gentiles (Plan B). The Bible clearly teaches that God has one plan, one people, and one destination for His people.

According to the notes which I have in my Old Scofield Study Bible, I believe that you could be misinterpreting what Scofield himself was actually teaching.

Scofield taught the heresy that animal blood sacrifices will again be ushered in and offered for the remission/atonement of sins. The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus paid it all - tetelestai. "[W]e are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Hebrews 10:10.

That is indeed a heretical teaching. May I see why you believe that Scofield taught this heresy?


C. I. Scofield came to faith in Christ through the witness of an acquaintance. He began serving in Christian ministries, including the YMCA, and he helped organize a D. L. Moody evangelistic campaign in St. Louis. Scofield eventually became an ordained Congregational minister and continued to work with D. L. Moody.
Scofield produced several major theological works. First, he wrote a book called Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth, which expresses the principles of dispensational hermeneutics. Second, his annotated reference Bible became the standard for a generation. Finally, his Bible correspondence course made his teaching readily available around the world. All three of these works are still available today. Scofield’s impact has been magnified by his influence on Lewis Sperry Chafer, who founded Dallas Theological Seminary.


May the love, grace, mercy, and blessings of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ always be with you and your family.

 

[Armchair Apologist]

Any Independent Baptists around? I've attended these churches and find the preaching strait to the point, very little or no doctrinal confusion (compared to some Charismatic churches), and repentance, conviction of sin, sanctification, and the Lord's return are stressed often, with of course Jesus Christ and His blood shed on the cross being the ONLY way to be saved.

I spent over 20 years as an Independent Baptist. Namely among the KJVO types including those who are affiliated with Ruckman and Hyles among others. What I can say about many of these is that their standard practice is often contradictory to their moniker.

They are not as "Independent" as they claim to be and are always worried about their fellow "IFB Buddies" seeing them as "compromisers" because they have differing ministry philosophies, music, and/or dress and grooming standards.

Their idea of "fundamental" often means that they preach against dancing, women wearing britches, alcohol. and going to the movie house! They may claim to believe the (KJV) Bible but often take an eisegetical approach and stick primarily to "topical" messages where they get on their hobby horse about their particular pet sin and so forth. I went to an IFB Bible Institute but couldn't even articulate the actual historic fundamentals (Inspiration of scripture, virgin birth, deity of Christ, substitutionary atonement, etc.).

And they are often twisted in their views of what they think a "Baptist" is. They insist that they are not "Protestant" and instead came from the Montanists, Waldensians, Albigenses, Novatians, Donatists, and so forth. If you know anything about these groups, you understand you want nothing to do with most of them!

There are some good IFB Baptists but I believe that the good ones are somewhat low-key because they do not want to be mistaken for the looney tunes crowd I am speaking of! There are many who are faithful to the Lord despite the bad theology and anti-intellectual mindset they have been taught and many (including myself) have gone on to get better educated and better grounded in the word and doctrine. I now attend a Southern Baptist Church where I serve as a deacon.

There are some very solid IFB churches, and there are some heretical churches that refer to themselves as IFB. Beware of any IFB that preach and teach Scofield, Larkin, and Ruckman; they are all heretical.

I am not a dispensationalist but it would be unfair to broad-brush this entire group as heretical. There are many different degrees of dispensationalism out there and not many (aside from the Ruckmanite crowd) take it to the extreme. Most I know of understand that salvation is all of grace from Genesis to Revelation and would condemn Ruckman's view of differing plans of salvation for each dispensational period.

 

[Dan Perez]

I appreciate your question. I'll give you a few of Scofield's teachings to which I'm referring and be as consice as I can be.

It is heresy to teach more than one gospel. Scofield taught that there are four gospels.

It is heresy to teach salvation by anything other that by God's grace through faith. Scofield taught that salvation was by works, and will be by faith plus works.

It is also heresy to teach that God has more than one people. Scofield taught that God has two distinct plans for two distinct people headed to two distinct destinations: Jews (Plan A) and Gentiles (Plan B). The Bible clearly teaches that God has one plan, one people, and one destination for His people.

Scofield taught the heresy that animal blood sacrifices will again be ushered in and offered for the remission/atonement of sins. The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus paid it all - tetelestai. "[W]e are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Hebrews 10:10.

God bless.

Ad that verse is found in Gal 1:8 , But even if and angel from out of n heaven should be preaching the gospel to you

contrary to what we preached to you , let him be ACCURSED !!

What was that GOSPEL is in Rom 1:1 , Paul a slave of Christ Jesus , a called APOSTLE Having been SEPARATED // APORIZO

and this Greek word APHORIZO , that means that their are BOUNDRIES , and Paul is LIMITED to only preach GOD'S GOSPEL

PERIOD !!

And there is the Gospel of the KINGDOM in MATTHEW

The Everlasting GOSPEL in Rev 14:6



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