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I know that science has tried numerous of times to pass a ape tooth, as some evolutionary species of humans.

They haven't, chief. The only case I am aware of is a single scientist who confused a peccary tooth with a hominid, and the entire scientific community quickly rejected his claims.

would you say this unfortunate truth has never happened?

It didn't happen the way you claim.
 
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I know that science has tried numerous of times to pass a ape tooth, as some evolutionary species of humans. would you say this unfortunate truth has never happened?

Actually, it was scientists who exposed it as a fraud.
 
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No, is rather you find a more legit website seriously that also indicates a alien gene.

There are no alien genes, so how could I find a legit website.

So you would say all websites that have indicated an alien gene in humans to be of non-truth?

Yes. Aliens who evolved independently of us would not even have the same genetic systems or codon usage that we have, much less sharing 96% of their DNA sequence with chimps (which is true for junk DNA as much as genes).

Like I would say all Mormon websites are of little interest to the truth of Christianity.

Creationist websites are of little interest to the truth of the reality around us. The map is not the territory.

Unless you know of a website that does indicate the alien gene in human DNA, to be of a better scientific nature.

Why would there be such a website?
 
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You gotta love the self correcting culture in science. There is always someone more than willing, to call out BS and get it right.

Too bad people of religion haven't figured this out, yet. Oh, wait, they did, and we're called atheists now.

:p
 
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That by itself doesn't answer the question; some ethnic groups are more closely related to Neandertals than others, after all. But no, there's no reason to think any ethnic group is closer to chimpanzee than any other.

Just to clarify (hopefully I get this right . . .)

The reason that some groups are more closely related to neanderthals is interbreeding between limited human and neanderthal populations after the two split from their common ancestor. This is why you tend to find neanderthal genes in European populations but not Asian populations.

For chimps, there was no interbreeding between the populations. All humans are genetically equidistant from all chimps because we all share the same common ancestor. Any bias towards chimps in any population will be due to selection against other more derived alleles. Given the size the genome I highly doubt that any ethnic group will be significantly "more like chimps" than any other.
 
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Just to clarify (hopefully I get this right . . .)

The reason that some groups are more closely related to neanderthals is interbreeding between limited human and neanderthal populations after the two split from their common ancestor. This is why you tend to find neanderthal genes in European populations but not Asian populations.
Correction there are more Neanderthal genes in Eurasian populations but not in African populations.

For chimps, there was no interbreeding between the populations. All humans are genetically equidistant from all chimps because we all share the same common ancestor. Any bias towards chimps in any population will be due to selection against other more derived alleles. Given the size the genome I highly doubt that any ethnic group will be significantly "more like chimps" than any other.
Yup.
 
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But you just stated at one point they were sexually compatible, therefore there should be a species if humanzee's.

There was such a species ... although I'm certain scientists would call it something a little more .... ummm .... scientific.
 
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The problem is a skull is a skull is a skull.



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I don't see these skulls in your picture, why?

It's called a deformity, or a intentional tribal look.



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Maybe some humans come from Giraffe's.
Firstly we can investigate those skulls and show the stress marks if they were deformed during development.

But you completely ignored the DNA aspect. Why does DNA from human relatives line up with the developmental similarities?

The bones we have are not lone freak either. We found multiple creatures at different ages.
 
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And since we know the famous chimpanzee from the 70's; that was thought to be a humanzee, was in fact 100% chimp.

If you're talking about Oliver, he was marketed as such, but that hypothesis was never taken seriously by scientists.
 
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USincognito said:
If you're talking about Oliver, he was marketed as such, but that hypothesis was never taken seriously by scientists.

So, it's possible to market a subject such as evolution to the world, and best of all to schools and little children.
 
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I know that science has tried numerous of times to pass a ape tooth, as some evolutionary species of humans. would you say this unfortunate truth has never happened?

A scientist, who was not an expert on mammalian anatomy, misidentified the tooth. This was quickly corrected by experts on mammalian anatomy, and the discoverer accepted the correction. Nothing became of it except a newspaper article that creationists love to cite to this day, as if it was from On the Origin of Species itself.

Do you believe there is no way to tell the difference between a misshappen bone and a non-misshapen bone? Yes or no, please.
 
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Actually, it was scientists who exposed it as a fraud.

No. It was not a fraud, it was a misidentified tooth. It just so happens that pig teeth look very much like human teeth, and a non-expert made an error. No fraud was involved.
 
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Sure, and where do we find this? Let alone the turtle, tortoise, and alligator,etc. why are there no new species that have came from them?

Why did the T-Rex and Brontosaurus not develop into more advanced creatures?
There are many species of turtle, tortoise and alligator. Some of them are extinct, some not. The evidence is that current species came from past ones via evolution.
 
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Just to clarify (hopefully I get this right . . .)

The reason that some groups are more closely related to neanderthals is interbreeding between limited human and neanderthal populations after the two split from their common ancestor. This is why you tend to find neanderthal genes in European populations but not Asian populations.

For chimps, there was no interbreeding between the populations. All humans are genetically equidistant from all chimps because we all share the same common ancestor. Any bias towards chimps in any population will be due to selection against other more derived alleles. Given the size the genome I highly doubt that any ethnic group will be significantly "more like chimps" than any other.
The key is that the interbreeding with Neandertals was recent, and uit took place in a branch population that has mixed relatively little with African populations since then because of our geographic dispersal. It is possible that the human and chimpanzee lineages hybridized after their initial split (precisely this scenario was proposed some years back by Nick Patterson and David Reich to explain some peculiar genetic features), but if this happened it was millions of years ago; any genetic contribution to modern humans from it have probably spread throughout the entire species by this time.
 
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So, it's possible to market a subject such as evolution to the world, and best of all to schools and little children.

It's a well evidenced modern scientific theory. It's also a very interesting explanation for the history of life on this planet... sounds like a great thing to teach in school.
 
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StormanNorman said:
Not without lots of scientific evidence across a wide range of scientific disciplines supporting it.

Think about it. Can your evidence fit in a box? Can you explain it all in a paragraph? Can anyone see all the evidence you have with their own eyes? No, No, and, No.

You can't see God yet you believe already in what you can not see with your own eye. You put your trust in Science, I put my trust in God. I read the bible and I am filled, you read your journals and are left with more questions.
 
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Think about it. Can your evidence fit in a box? Can you explain it all in a paragraph? Can anyone see all the evidence you have with their own eyes? No, No, and, No.

For little kids? Sure you can!

Boxes of pretend fossils, demonstrations about inheritance "You are a little like you grand parents, but not the same".

Kids love practical things, and if you make the effort they are very smart and can understand the concepts.

But ALL the evidence? Sure you can't put it all in a little box and explain it with a paragraph... I'd have thought that was a good thing?

You can't see God yet you believe already in what you can not see with your own eye. You put your trust in Science, I put my trust in God. I read the bible and I am filled, you read your journals and are left with more questions.
If you have the answers, then explain all our evidence?

Why does the genetic evidence line up with the fossil evidence?

Why is there millions of years of water and life evidence scarred into the Earth?
 
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I know that science has tried numerous of times to pass a ape tooth, as some evolutionary species of humans. would you say this unfortunate truth has never happened?

No you don't, and it's not true. You're conflating the Nebraska man myth with some other fantasy that exists only in your mind. Nebraska man was the discovery of a peccary molar (human and porcine molars are very similiar), that was never taken seriously by scientists and in fact contradicted the theory of evolution. The only people who took it seriously was the London Illustrated Mail that invented a fanciful drawing based on the artists imagination and nothing more.
 
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